1/2 bankitnancy takes a weird line

Stacks:
UTG Kingcovey ($417.95)
UTG+1 phucdumnuts ($235.65)
MP1 TheNewIvey ($214.50)
MP2 BankItDrew ($241.90)
CO Hero ($457.25)
BTN dankness3 ($304.35)
SB Prairie Hawk ($224.85)
BB jarapin ($200)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 8 players) Hero is CO
Kingcovey raises to $6, phucdumnuts folds, TheNewIvey folds, BankItDrew calls $6, Hero calls $6, dankness3 folds, Prairie Hawk folds, jarapin calls $4

Flop: ($25, 4 players)
jarapin checks, Kingcovey checks, BankItDrew checks, Hero bets $10, jarapin folds, Kingcovey folds, BankItDrew calls $10

Turn: ($45, 2 players)
BankItDrew checks, Hero bets $30, BankItDrew raises to $90, $60 to Hero ($411.25)?

villain is bankitdrew
only history is possibly irrelevant, a year+ ago he called 3b oop AT in co vs bu and c/r ATx

I gotta ask, why did you bet the turn?

Did you post this hand for sick value?: weaktight | Hand | 6As - $1/$2 No Limit Holdem

wtf is going on in this hand

redzill please tell me you didnt fold lol

i bet the turn because i thought it was a good play. also i don't understand why you an linked an irrelevant hand from my weak tight in this manner, pretty unprofessional imo.

and i called. river is 9x he jams for ~134.

What's unprofessional about it? It was a compliment.

idk wtf is going on so I'm going to revert to level 1 thinking and call because we have trips.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

idk wtf is going on so I'm going to revert to level 1 thinking and call because we have trips.

this

but i can see him showing up with like 78d or a spazzed out K for thin value

Know nothing about Bankitdrew but I doubt he's ever doing this with a random K + plus he's not shoving rivers with his flopped 2 pair ever so it comes down to whether or not you can give him anything but sets when he raises turn. If he can have missed Fd's/gutter type hands it becomes an auto-call.

Originally Posted by reDZill4

and i called. river is 9x he jams for ~134.

Pretty sure it was a Jx

JdTd amirite

I don't think so. I remember looking over the hand right before I posted. Still could be wrong.

Got no idea why we would think our hand is the best, on the turn, nor the rivva =)

not everyone at full ring is a huge nit -this changes when you hit 200nl+

100nl and below folding turn vs almost anyone seems standard. this is clearly a different kind of spot than just facing a turn raise from some random reg.

think about what drew is repping 2 combos or something?

I mean we block 99, why the hell would he not bet a set on the flop? Zill can't be expected to blindly fire here when checked to. Then again checking a set on flop seems okay given that it looks like its just 5 solid regs to the flop (altho kingcovey is remarkably terrible hes close enough to fit the category I'm trying to place these guys in).

THEN AGAIN, zill firing two streets here is pretty f'ing strong and drew should know this so why would he ever bluff?!

levels yo

Just because you've talked to the guy outside the chat box doesn't mean you have to play like a retard

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Just because you've talked to the guy outside the chat box doesn't mean you have to play like a retard

This is a huge leak of mine and one that I have a hard time fixing.

after thinknig about this for a bit and talking about it with an e friend

FOLD TURN

and its not for the reasons you nits think

prolly should check turn too fwiw

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Pretty sure it was a Jx

KJ amirite

Pre is fine. Check the flop, there's a good chance you have the best hand, you don't have enough equity to continue if raised, you have some OK turns. After that check it down

how about over betting the flop if you're going to bet?

Why the fuck would we overbet the flop with no equity against strongish ranges with position

Why would we bet at all then if we're facing strongish ranges and we have no equity?

I mean, I see you mentioned red should check the flop and I agree. But if we do bet I don't think 2/5p is ideal.

I think red took this line and bet sizing because it looks strong, especially on a board like this where if he triple barrels it's very difficult to stay in with something like TPTK.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I think red took this line and bet sizing because it looks strong, especially on a board like this where if he triple barrels it's very difficult to stay in with something like TPTK.

If it looks so strong then why are we thinking about calling the turn?

2/5 pot is pretty hard to balance unless everyone plays back really wide. I'd rather bet big when I bet and have a (bigger?) checking range.

Originally Posted by badgers

2/5 pot is pretty hard to balance unless everyone plays back really wide. I'd rather bet big when I bet and have a (bigger?) checking range.

boooom

badgers nails it

(I'm pretty sure your checking range can be smaller here fwiw if you bet bigger though I'm not 100% certain here)

wtf, how is betting 2/5 pot not standard here with your whole range that bets? I might give up with a hand like this that has no equity but betting seems fine.

Originally Posted by Renton

wtf, how is betting 2/5 pot not standard here with your whole range that bets? I might give up with a hand like this that has no equity but betting seems fine.

oh man, now I have some more thinking to do

I'd bet no more than $16 on the flop

Originally Posted by badgers

oh man, now I have some more thinking to do

Not much to think about really. When you are checked to last to act on a dry board people tend to have very weak hands, so a small bet is effective as a bluff and optimal for value as well.

I was leaning to a bigger bet on the flop because i think i dont bet that much air 4ways on the flop, even though it is pretty dry

Whats the weakest hand u guys would bet?

Absolutely fold here, I'd check turn and I wouldn't bet flop.

y stabbing flop w/o at least bdfd is meh, i guess if nonPFRer villians are extremely Fit or fold (high fold vs cbet%) its fine

turn i wouldnt bet (its mostly a bluff when yo bet) - just try to get to SD

now definitely fold, ppl arent bluffing here enough (he needs to be turning weaker made hand into a bluff or delayed semibluffing some weird ****)