100NL, AK preflop decision vs two 100BB villains ?

3 bettor is a 17/13.2/2.5 regular and capable of stealing blinds in late position. Cold caller is unknown. Should we 4 bet, flat call or fold in this situation? I dont really know much of his 3 bet squeeze range.
$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($117.45)
Hero ($100.00)
MP1 ($99.00)
MP2 ($97.50)
CO ($57.50)
BTN ($45.55)
SB ($109.85)
BB ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $11, 2 folds, SB calls $10.5, 1 fold, Hero ?

how tight is his 3bet range? i dont know that calling is an option because it will make for some very awkward flop decisons i dont know that 4betting againsst an unknown cold calling a 3bet is a great idea either,
i vote fold and take notes?

i dont think he'd 3 bet UTG 1 with wider range here even though i only logged in 400 hands in my database.

Originally Posted by reDZill4

how tight is his 3bet range? i dont know that calling is an option because it will make for some very awkward flop decisons i dont know that 4betting againsst an unknown cold calling a 3bet is a great idea either,
i vote fold and take notes?

I think he'd probably do this with AK/JJ+, and may lay 3 of those 5 hands down to a 4-bet. 17/13 aggressive enough to do this with TT anyone? If so then definitely 4-bet

I vote 4-bet to $35 & fold to a push.

call
lead flop if improved
check/fold flop if missed

any reasons not to 4 bet here, drew?

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

call
lead flop if improved
check/fold flop if missed

we're oop

fold preflop unless hes bad then its a 4bet. if it were sooted i might play

so we just flat call based on good odds? 4 bet vs this preflop aggressive villain is no good?

Originally Posted by Warpe

we're oop

...and we're 3-handed. One of these guys usually has us smoked pre.

Originally Posted by pokerfan

any reasons not to 4 bet here, drew?

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

call
lead flop if improved
check/fold flop if missed

I don't 4bet preflop with AK vs full stacks

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Originally Posted by pokerfan

any reasons not to 4 bet here, drew?

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

call
lead flop if improved
check/fold flop if missed

I don't 4bet preflop with AK vs full stacks

Drew, if we call pf and an A or K hits the flop, are you playing for stacks if you lead and are raised or called? What about check calling it down? If we are not willing to play for stacks, then this should be a fold imo.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I don't 4bet preflop with AK vs full stacks

Funny...I don't flat preflop with AK vs full stacks.

I hate playing that hand postflop in 3/4 bet pots.

Does anyone know how to check AK 3 bet pots in PT?

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Does anyone know how to check AK 3 bet pots in PT?

you can in PT3.

IMO, doesn't anyone else care that we're in EP and there's been reraise and a call behind us? The last thing I'm going to do is 4 bet AK here.

Calling is an option, taking an option out your playback by saying "never" is probably a bigger leak than anything else mentioned in this thread. We're getting a pretty good price to see a flop.

That said, I dont feel bad folding AK here OOP. If it is a mistake it'd be a much smaller one than most people think it is.