2 $100NL hands...

Hand 1:

I'm on the button here with $112. MP has $100. No real reads.

Folded to MP who raises to $3. Folded to me, I look down at and call. SB folds. BB calls.

Flop comes Pot ~$10

BB checks, MP checks, I bet $7. BB folds, MP raises to $26. I push.. thoughts?

Hand 2:

I bought in here for $50 and am sitting on $115. I'm in CO here. Button is a tight, fairly reasonable player sitting on $130.

Folded to me. I look down at and raise it $3. Button reraises to $6 and the pot goes heads up when I call.

Flop = :Ac: Pot ~ $13
I check, button bets $9. I call here with the intention of bluffing a scare card knowing tight button is capable of folding AK, AQ

Turn = Pot ~ $31
I lead here with $20. Button thinks for a bit then calls.

River = another club. Pot ~ $71

I lead out for $45 here... thoughts?

Hand 1: I think MP has a set of 9's. The minraise is scary. If he had a hand like AK and was going for a check/raise with air, I think he would make it 24-30 to go. His action seems strong.

Considering his raise was only $16 and you made it about 80 more on top, I don't think your play has any value here. I think the majority of the time on a flop like this, you either gave him an easy fold or a standard call. I like the pressure. I'm curious as to see if he calls here. You're about 60/40 vs. a set.

Hand 2: I like your plan, but considering he has a hand like AK/AQ, the only scare card that could hit the turn would be a third club. Taking this into consideration, he may have TPTK and pick up the nut draw on the turn, which means he isn't going anywhere.

Basically, for you to win this pot unimproved, a club has to hit the turn. You have to either bet out big, or plan a check/raise hoping he comes out firing. And considering he does, you have to hope he doesn't improve on the river, or doesn't pay your "flush" off with just top pair.

I like mixing it up, but this play just seems too risky, and you could have gotten into alot of trouble if you simply misread his hand.

Sorry, mistyped first hand; MP actually raised to $26, then I push...

Hand two; clubs come on turn and river and I DO have two pair on the turn, so I've actually improved. My thinking kinda goes; why only play flushes when you're drawing to them? Why not play them when you're drawing to something else and can push the opp off his hand when the "flush" hits, or get a nice pot when your other outs hit. In this case, if the ten on the turn wasn't a club, how would my hand fair then?

1.) I like the push

2.) i think your move is good here too

Hand 1:

Hand 2: I would probably bet less on the river. If he has a big A then the chances are that he dosen't have a club, but the turn call could be scary. If he has a club then he will certainly call/raise. He might also fold AK/AQ no club, again costing you money. A bet of about $20-$30 lets you get out cheaply if he raises but could also entice a call out of a big A.

hand 1: (I don't know why I used this emoticon, but the play is goot).

hand 2: c/f river. he will check behind worse hands and give you action when he has the big club. ie, the vast majority of players are checking behind .

Originally Posted by Lukie

hand 2: c/f river. he will check behind worse hands and give you action when he has the big club. ie, the vast majority of players are checking behind .

Do you want them to check that behind when the might call a small bet?

Ok cool, thanks for the replies

Results:

Hand 1: he called with JJ and I caught my flush

Hand 2: he folds and shows a set of aces... ouch then he went on to swear at the "calling station fish" and donked off the rest of his stack to me later

Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Ok cool, thanks for the replies

Results:

Hand 1: he called with JJ and I caught my flush

Hand 2: he folds and shows a set of aces... ouch then he went on to swear at the "calling station fish" and donked off the rest of his stack to me later

Damn, he should have raised the turn with his set.

But then again, we don't want them to play well, now do we? np sir.

Originally Posted by finky

Originally Posted by Lukie

hand 2: c/f river. he will check behind worse hands and give you action when he has the big club. ie, the vast majority of players are checking behind .

Do you want them to check that behind when the might call a small bet?

I'd rather not get blown off the best hand, it's going to be extremely hard to get any real value out of worse hands, very easy to lose a very significant bet to a better hand, and we are way ahead of his range here if he doesn't have a club.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by finky

Originally Posted by Lukie

hand 2: c/f river. he will check behind worse hands and give you action when he has the big club. ie, the vast majority of players are checking behind .

Do you want them to check that behind when the might call a small bet?

I'd rather not get blown off the best hand, it's going to be extremely hard to get any real value out of worse hands, very easy to lose a very significant bet to a better hand, and we are way ahead of his range here if he doesn't have a club.

The results are a bit unexpected, but lets assume for a moment he had AK with or without a club.

If he dosen't have a club and we check, the hand will either get checked down and we lose value or he might have worked out we don't have a decent club and he could bluff us off the best hand.

If he does have a club then he will raise no matter what we do and we lose the $20-30 if we bet.

I feel the times he calls with a weaker hand and the times we avoid being bluffed off the pot (and the times he folds the best hand ), outweigh the bet we lose when he has the club (which will only happen 1/4 of the time)

Originally Posted by finky

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by finky

Originally Posted by Lukie

hand 2: c/f river. he will check behind worse hands and give you action when he has the big club. ie, the vast majority of players are checking behind .

Do you want them to check that behind when the might call a small bet?

I'd rather not get blown off the best hand, it's going to be extremely hard to get any real value out of worse hands, very easy to lose a very significant bet to a better hand, and we are way ahead of his range here if he doesn't have a club.

The results are a bit unexpected, but lets assume for a moment he had AK with or without a club.

If he dosen't have a club and we check, the hand will either get checked down and we lose value or he might have worked out we don't have a decent club and he could bluff us off the best hand.

If he does have a club then he will raise no matter what we do and we lose the $20-30 if we bet.

I feel the times he calls with a weaker hand and the times we avoid being bluffed off the pot (and the times he folds the best hand ), outweigh the bet we lose when he has the club (which will only happen 1/4 of the time)

How large is my fold equity here?
So, 1/4 of the time I lose $30 when he calls with the better hand (lets say he may have AQ with Qclubs and is worried about the K) or raises and I fold.
1/4 of the time (although I think this is much less in this case because he is a fairly capable player and able to fold a weaker hand on this river)
1/2 the time he folds?

I was a bit suprised at the set of aces as well, but in hindsight his preflop min-raise is a bit fishy as I would normally expect to see this raised to at least $9 from him