200NL Aces against an unknown

I've been tight sine I sat down.

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Hand #232907747 at table: Table TH 171
Started: Tue Mar 14 02:09:24 2006

espia_ruso is at seat 1 with 195.00
slickjoey is at seat 2 with 142.70
walnik is at seat 4 with 192.96
zallen9020 is at seat 5 with 128.16
Vital is at seat 6 with 538.96
zebra13 is at seat 7 with 258.00
All-in4Fun is at seat 8 with 207.95
finn41 is at seat 9 with 70.06
Jackflush1 is at seat 10 with 292.35

zebra13 posts the large blind 2.00
Vital posts the small blind 1.00

All-in4Fun: As, Ad

Pre-flop:

All-in4Fun: Raise 10.00
finn41: Fold
Jackflush1: Fold
espia_ruso: Fold
slickjoey: Fold
walnik: Call 10.00
Vital: Fold
zebra13: Call 10.00

Flop (Board: 7c, 4s, 7d):

zebra13: Check
All-in4Fun: Bet 22.00
walnik: Call 22.00
zebra13: Fold

Turn (Board: 7c, 4s, 7d, 4d):

All-in4Fun: Check
walnik: Bet 40.00
All-in4Fun: Call 40.00

River (Board: 7c, 4s, 7d, 4d, 9h):

All-in4Fun: Check
walnik: All in
All-in4Fun: Fold

For what it's worth, I've stacked off here before for 150bb. 200bb has me wondering...

Do you stack on the turn or river? How do you get it in?

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Do you stack on the turn or river? How do you get it in?

LAgg potted the flop, pushed the turn, showed me trips My PFR protected the pot against everyone else, LAgg was left with a marginal call ($5 more with $140 behind) and it was HU to the flop of something like 668 two suited.

Sorry what I ment was, how should I have played the turn?

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Sorry what I ment was, how should I have played the turn?

Bet and cry if he raises sounds ideal, check/call is fine. The river looks like one of these spots where lots of worse hands are checking behind, so a bet is certainly called for there. A read would be huge.

With money this deep, I don't hate a flop check.

Originally Posted by Fnord

With money this deep, I don't hate a flop check.

I think you misread, its only 100bb deep.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I think you misread, its only 100bb deep.

Most sites post the SB then the BB, skipped over it. Meh.

At 100bb, I'm more inclined to lose the max. Still dislike the opener, but I've never been a fan of 5x. Meh. It certainly doesn't look good for our hero. Call flop, value bet turn, push river line from an unknown full-buy.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I think you misread, its only 100bb deep.

Still dislike the opener, but I've never been a fan of 5x.

I've never been a fan of AA vs 5 callers.

I think if you call the turn, then you should call the river push. If the board was more draw heavy, I'd probably CR ai on the turn, but doesn't seem to be the case here. Check/call sounds good. I also don't mind a flop check, but c-betting's good too.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I've never been a fan of AA vs 5 callers.

Are smaller openers getting that many calls? Meh, I open a wide enough range...

I would call this push for what it's worth. Villain is getting paid off for a fortunate luckbox 7 in this spot. His river push could be merely telling a story of committment IMO. Villain has less behind than the pot amount. You're getting like 2-1 on the call. If you're gonna make that kind of call, then make it with AA on this board. Are you good 1 out of 3 times? I think so. I think maybe 2 out of 3 times you're good. Seems profitable to me. He flips a 7 NH, and give him more credit next time, reducing his future value.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I would call this push for what it's worth. Villain is getting paid off for a fortunate luckbox 7 in this spot. His river push could be merely telling a story of committment IMO. Villain has less behind than the pot amount. You're getting like 2-1 on the call. If you're gonna make that kind of call, then make it with AA on this board. Are you good 1 out of 3 times? I think so. I think maybe 2 out of 3 times you're good. Seems profitable to me. He flips a 7 NH, and give him more credit next time, reducing his future value.

i like this line.
i thought not raising the flop as a taggy player/image wasnt best as it gave you more info.

This is a canbet site isnt it? (I play there, I recgonize the HH format and some of the players on the table). Believe me , a 5x opener on this site is completely necessary. The people on that site are rediculously bad and call with all sorts of junk.

Your looking at a 474 rainbow flop, almost entirely draw free (only 56 has the strong draw here), so you can lead for $10-$14 on the flop and feel happy about adaquately protecting your hand. 2/3rds pot is completely unecessary, and just makes the pot large and unweidly. Personally, I would never check this flop. I quick check the turn, looking for a 2-3x checkraise if he bets at me. If I get my c/r off and he raises back at me, I'm happy to lay it down. I dont think there is any reason to lose 100xbb on this hand. The only other possibility I see here is that he has a weaker overpair, but only a complete moron would want to play for stacks with 88-QQ after a big c/r on the turn, and since hes full stacked, with no reads I would give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he has a 7.

As is, I think your line is ok if you put the villan on a weaker overpair.

In NLHE, the street where we can gain the most information, is the turn. Check calling doesn't give us any, which quite often leads to a difficult decision on the river.

Check raise the turn.

Yeah, I think check-calling the turn is probably where you lost this hand. You pretty much told him you were scared shitless that he called your flop bet. You cemented that image by just calling the turn. You need to lead out for 3/4 to full pot or check-raise to $100.

Bet 50 at turn, fold to raise. Only hand you then beat is KK.

Did he show quads? Or something stupid like A7..