AA, paired board

[Warpe]

My raises were getting folds preflop so for a change of pace I decide to limp AA. Villain's only been at the table for an orbit or two...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $48.50
UTG+1: $76.55
Hero: $71.10
Button: $68.70
SB: $50.45
BB: $30.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A A
2 folds, Hero calls $0.5, Button folds, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: T 7 7 ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $1.5, BB folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $1.5.

Turn: 5 ($7.5, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $12, Hero ???

[jungy121]

fold. flush draw hit or a 7 beats you. very bad limp in co. might as well give your stack to the blinds.

i just saw you have A of clubs, but he priced you out to draw for the flush. take the 7 dollar loss and get out.

[drmcboy]

I could see caling first bet on turn, I can't see raising or calling here. What is with the min raise on the flop?

[Fnord]

You posted this as a joke, right?

I open raise KTo from that position, so I can't ever see open-limping AA from the cut-off.

What about that turn card, opponent and betting so far makes you want to play a big pot here?

Don't re-open the betting if there is a good chance you're going to get popped back and you're not sure what to do about it.

[Warpe]

You posted this as a joke, right?

rofl. I knew I'd get abused for this.

The table was extremely tight, I'd been playing fairly standard and open raising preflop with any decent hand from the CO/Button whenever it was limped to me, basically taking down a lot of small pots uncontested, so - good or bad - my limp decision was to try and get paid off for once.

Villain hadn't been involved in any pots with any wonky starting hands so far, so I thought a 7 was unlikely and put him on a T. He was fairly aggro though, so my min-raise on the flop was to see if he'd push back...I was pretty sure he'd reraise if he had trips, and he didn't, so I felt my read was good.

I called the turn...

Turn: 5 ($7.5, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $5.

And the river...

River: K ($31.5, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Results:
Final pot: $51.5
Hero showed Ad Ac
SB showed Js Th

[Fnord]

His flop bet is Tx, 7x, 2 clubs or air. Once he calls the flop raise, we can pretty much rule out air. If he sucks just a little, you can almost rule out 7x.

Turn: 5 ($7.5, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $5.

This line has been giving me fits. Glad to see data from another person who looked it up. More often than not, I have a weaker hand and don't see showdown in spots like this.

[Renton]

Limping AA from UTG is one thing. I hate it when people do that, but I can understand the technique. Limping AA from late position is a completely different thing.

Remember that the only hands you WANT action from with AA are hands that would call a preflop raise.

If, in a hypothetical situation, two players played a hand where one had 67s and one had AA, and they played this hand over and over hundreds of times in a vacuum, the guy with 67s would eventually take all of the AA players money.

If the same hypothetical situation occurred, but one player had KK and the other had AA, then the player with AA would eventually take all the other player's money.

[Fnord]

If, in a hypothetical situation, two players played a hand where one had 67s and one had AA, and they played this hand over and over hundreds of times in a vacuum, the guy with 67s would eventually take all of the AA players money.

How do you figure?

[Renton]

This diagram assumes that the AA player plays AA like a typical mediocre player.

The player with 67s would forfeit small pot after small pot to AA on the flop, but every 10-15 hands would flop two pair, trips, a straight, or a flush and win a big pot off of committed AA.

[Warpe]

I've gotta admit, it's a nice line by villain that, as the responses here attest, would probably work 90% of the time. He called me "ballsy" in the chat afterward.

This is one of those times where I was so sure of my read that I was ready to pay him off big if I was wrong.

[Vrax]

Oppenent has 67, I have AA. Board is 66K rainbow. He won't take 100BB off me if I have position on him. OOP this spot sucks anyway....

[BankItDrew]

This diagram assumes that the AA player plays AA like a typical mediocre player.

The player with 67s would forfeit small pot after small pot to AA on the flop, but every 10-15 hands would flop two pair, trips, a straight, or a flush and win a big pot off of committed AA.

I think 10-15 should be more like 90-100.

[Renton]

This diagram assumes that the AA player plays AA like a typical mediocre player.

The player with 67s would forfeit small pot after small pot to AA on the flop, but every 10-15 hands would flop two pair, trips, a straight, or a flush and win a big pot off of committed AA.

I think 10-15 should be more like 90-100.

odds of flopping two pair alone is 1/50

[Vrax]

Assuming that small two pair will take AA's stack is too optimistic way for looking at situation. What about two outers? Counterfeiting by pairing the other card or running pair? It's matter of playing the player, knowing his range and other factors, not "I will flop the nutz and destack AA, he MUST have AA because he RAISED!"

How do you know that opponent is on overpair?

Nit raises JJ, call with 67s, flop is A67. Nit raises JJ, flop is A55, nit raises AK, flop misses you & him, etc. You need to know opponent's betting patterns on more streets, not only preflop...

Playing 67s is more than "destacking overpairs", it's art of floating and repping hands in proper moments, big pots from trips, 2pairs and straights are consequence of loose image or retard factor of opponent.

[Renton]

True, flopping two pair is only about 60% equity against AA. But the point I am trying to illustrate is, when someone with 67s sees a flop, he expects to be behind. He expects to be as much as an 80/20 underdog. Therefore, when you have AA in a limped pot, the majority of the time you get any resistance, its from someone who has a pair dominated, or in the best case scenario, has a strong draw and you are even money to win.

[Fnord]

He called me "ballsy" in the chat afterward.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

[Warpe]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $48.50
UTG+1: $76.55
Hero: $71.10
Button: $68.70
SB: $50.45
BB: $30.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A A
2 folds, Hero calls $0.5, Button folds, SB calls $0.25, BB checks.

Flop: T 7 7 ($1.5, 3 players)
SB bets $1.5, BB folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $1.5.

Turn: 5 ($7.5, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $5.

River: K ($31.5, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Results:
Final pot: $51.5
Hero showed Ad Ac
SB showed Js Th

Hmm...looking back on this, WTF is villain thinking? Surely he's got to be putting me on trips at some point, no? Or is my line inconsistent with that?

[Fnord]

Hmm...looking back on this, WTF is villain thinking? Surely he's got to be putting me on trips at some point, no? Or is my line inconsistent with that?

Looks like a chronic under-bettor who limped AA to me!

[Warpe]

Hmm...looking back on this, WTF is villain thinking? Surely he's got to be putting me on trips at some point, no? Or is my line inconsistent with that?

Looks like a chronic under-bettor who limped AA to me!