AK OOP Multi Opp 25NL A on flop

Whats your move on flop?? and any thoughts on any possiible ways to play this.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($18.70)
MP2 ($11.40)
CO ($22.90)
Button ($20.35)
SB ($11.15)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($24)
UTG+1 ($9.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.75) A, 5, T (5 players)
SB checks, Hero????????????

only one orbit gone. im playing super nit so far (so its my first hand) till i get reads.

Hmmm...I've been thinking about this hand for a bit and I think there are two ways of handling it.
a-Check with the hopes that someone makes a move on the pot and chases some of the other players out of the hand, then we reassess where we're at in the hand and act accordingly. Obviously for this to be of any use we need somekind of read on our opponents.
b-We bet out 2/3 pot to pot sized bet and see what happens. Our hand isn't the greatest against four other players but we need to find out where we're at in the hand. Just don't fall in love with TPTK.

I like option B a whole lot more then option A, but I hate these kinds of hands to begin with. I tend to lose a chunk of money in these spots.
I'd really like to hear what others have to say about this hand.

$6

Originally Posted by Warpe

$6

Let's say we make it $6-$9 to go. If we are able to isolate or take the pot down right there then fine, but what happens when we get more then one caller in this situation? Do we push the turn no matter what comes up? do we give up on the hand?

If ever there was a time to bet 1/2 pot on the flop with << nuts, this might be it. There are no possible 8 out draws, and weaker aces are not going to call 2-3 big bets. Sets up smaller sized c-bets if you show down as well.

6$, fold to a raise from a full stack, push turn if called by one player

c/c

hmm some different takes on it here.

I do have a second part to this hand which ill post 2m.

agree there aint no 8-9 out draws on us. wouldnt a bet of half the pot entice even more to play at me or just call. leaving me in a bit of a pickle.

Yet a 2/3-PSB is awkward too by bloating the pot OOP with threat of a few callers.

Miffed check/call line?? hmm. what if one bets and you get 2 callers (so 3 opp in for say $6 each) or just vs one opp (still c/c)

Don't check it. By checking your setting yourself up for some trouble. I'd throw out $7.50 here. A nice fat bet. Either you take down the pot or maybe you just get a caller from someone who limped with a weaker ace.

This nice fat bet allows you to take down the pot right there most of the time which is what you want if your trying to play super tight until you pick up some reads.

But, if you do happen to get multiple callers watch out for an A-10. One caller I think we have to push the turn no matter what.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

agree there aint no 8-9 out draws on us. wouldnt a bet of half the pot entice even more to play at me or just call. leaving me in a bit of a pickle.

You really think you are getting a bluff raise 5 way when you raise limpers pre-flop and hit an ace at $25NL?

c/c I don't mind either, I just think it's going to check around alot when no one has anything. You are expected to bet the ace here. Actually, that's not that bad, because 2pair/sets screw themselves by slowplaying. On the other hand AX/TX gets 3-5 free outs to go ahead of you.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

hmm some different takes on it here.

I do have a second part to this hand which ill post 2m.

agree there aint no 8-9 out draws on us. wouldnt a bet of half the pot entice even more to play at me or just call. leaving me in a bit of a pickle.

Yet a 2/3-PSB is awkward too by bloating the pot OOP with threat of a few callers.

Miffed check/call line?? hmm. what if one bets and you get 2 callers (so 3 opp in for say $6 each) or just vs one opp (still c/c)

put your opponents on ranges:
1. What worst hands will call, that you beat (i know its 25nl, but lets be realistic) Consider the preflop action
2. DO we want to build a big pot oop on a pretty drawless board, where our hand is either wa/wb ?

If you lead the flop you build a pot where you are pretty much commited to a tp type hand. I dont think a c/r is such a bad play here.

Lol I just find it funny that 4 of your opponents opted for the limp / call- a very powerful play used only by professionals and the highly skilled.

Anyway, I wouldn't check / call- you'd be surprised how many times it gets checked around after a big prf. Just put out a whopper, hopefully you'll be put on a bluff; if not at least don't get sucked out on and lose your stack with TPTK. If someone's got AT they'll let you know.

Check or check /call just sets you up for disaster. For one, checking an ace doesn't baffle the moderately intelligent players. Second, if someone shows strength on the turn, you're fucked- are they betting b/c they think you're weak, or b/c they beat top pair? Harder to tell.

bet 7-8, get called.

How do we play the turn? (Hint: we dont have enough to fold, so were already commited)

i think this is a must bet and assuming you get atleast 1 caller, the rest of your stack is going in on the turn because your committed.

Hi,

I find myself in spots like this all the time and I generally bet about $6 at this pot. I have found myself losing a lot with big aces though and so I have thought about this one.

Obviously my initial reaction is to bet but with 3 people to go, no draws and all the limp/calls preflop we have to be careful. The hands that oppenents play like this preflop are typically trash, low pp, sc's or low aces. If we bet and get called by 2 players the pot is then $26.75. If we then check the turn we are inviting someone to bet and still don't know where we are. If we push (only move if we are in this spot) then our hand is pretty weak as any 2-pair or sets we are way behind. Do we really want to play for stacks w/TPTK????

I think the best option is to c/c and re-evaluate turn. If its a blank then bet it. Any hand that beats us will let us know pretty quickly on the turn (55,AT or anyother 2-pair hand.) If we do bet the turn and only get callers then we are likely ahead on the turn. I can see low aces and even middle pair calling at this point because of the check on the flop, which is good for us.

Personally I think you are likely up against complete trash that will fold a flop bet or a better hand that will let you keep betting into them at this stage and you will then lose your whole stack. Ideallywe want to allow hands we beat to think they are ahead, and the only hands we beat in this hand are low aces or middle pair.

Anyway thats my thoughts. As I said earlier I ahve been losing with TPTK hands because I play them real aggro on the flop and this allows better hands to disguise their strength and it has been killing me.

If anyone doesn't agree or thinks I am talking trash please say so. I am still learning too!

i actually think raising preflop is overrated here too...

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

put your opponents on ranges:
1. What worst hands will call, that you beat (i know its 25nl, but lets be realistic) Consider the preflop action
2. DO we want to build a big pot oop on a pretty drawless board, where our hand is either wa/wb ?

i didnt predict a range for you since this is all i got on them anyway.

i didnt think of it but checking AK in BB aint bad actually but then again i didnt know how LOOSE passive the players were. tho maybe i could nit down some more here early on.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

bet 7-8, get called.

How do we play the turn? (Hint: we dont have enough to fold, so were already commited)

c/call 7-8, same difference, and if it checks through we just gave multiple opponents a free card.

I like a raise pre-flop here, not for value but for balance. I like to raise limpers out of the blinds with various holdings (including absolute air) so I have to balance this by having a good hand sometimes. Well, assuming people are paying attention.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

bet 7-8, get called.

How do we play the turn? (Hint: we dont have enough to fold, so were already commited)

c/call 7-8, same difference, and if it checks through we just gave multiple opponents a free card.

what sorts of hands are betting 7/8 here?
i dont think a set is very often.

I don't think I'm understanding the thinking behind the big bet on the flop. It probably is only called by hands that beat us and ties us to the pot which can't be good can it? Could we not make a smaller bet say $4 which should still fold out those with nothing or a gutshot? If called we are not pot committed and can continue to play poker?

okay i good mix of responses thanks.

checking PF isnt a bad strategy but maybe a check could be good given how little info i have on table. certainly a raise is also good so there aint no arguement on either front for which is a superior play.

On flop - some bet or check but both options regardless of what you pick also states that we are almost acting in the dark and should proceed with caution.

ok ill post the next part now.

Again second part. i checked to evaluate instead of bet and evaluate. this part might not be as mixed in opinions though

MP1 ($18.70)
MP2 ($11.40)
CO ($22.90)
Button ($20.35)
SB ($11.15)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($24)
UTG+1 ($9.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($8.75) A, 5, T (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1.25, MP2 folds, Button calls $1.25, SB folds, Hero ???????????

Originally Posted by nutsinho

6$, fold to a raise from a full stack, push turn if called by one player

This is 25NL, two of your opponents have less than half a buy in and the pre-flop action suggests that they play very loose/passive.
You HAVE to bet this flop, IMO. It's highly realistic to assume you'll get called by weaker aces and broadway gutshots.

Originally Posted by larsmars

Originally Posted by nutsinho

6$, fold to a raise from a full stack, push turn if called by one player

This is 25NL, two of your opponents have less than half a buy in and the pre-flop action suggests that they play very loose/passive.
You HAVE to bet this flop, IMO. It's highly realistic to assume you'll get called by weaker aces and broadway gutshots.

and we pay a set/two pair every time, most of the hands likely to call the bet whereas your pushing the boat out expecting a weaker ace to call considering the preflop action followd by the flop strength.

Considering the second part of the HH, i think your still open to what action you want to take. Looks like someone bet a weak ace and some draw called so i guess now we can make the $8 check/raise and consider folding to a push ormaybe calling depending on what we know about the players.

Just realized this was full ring (sorry, i'm new). That decreases the likelihood of weak aces calling a near pot sized bet, i agree.

I understand the reasoning behind the c/c line, but with this much money going in pre-flop, i it's probably gonna be hard to get away from tptk on this kind of flop. Might as well lead out with what is presumably the best hand.

Like miffed said, this looks like a weak ace and a gutshot. I guess you could try a smallish raise here, maybe $6. That way you could still fold if someone pushes. Push turn if u get one caller.

Raising 7BB and getting 4 callers, then making TPTK, what a nightmare. No draws people can overplay either.
Anyone who is ahead of you here will inevitably take your stack. I'd take the very unconventional route of weakish blockers, like $4 on the flop..

Is there even a right way to play this? :P

I check raise, There are so many people in the pot one is bound to bet with some shit hand and I'm not sure we can get away from AK anyway.
I say check raise also because you can get in a situation where the guy after you bets and you get a few flat callers who you are easily beating.

thanks for yur input guys.

i then decided to c/r to $6 i think and took it down thank god.

i honstly now think that a check in the BB would avoid some of this trouble since opp's at this level tend not to fold. i dont consider to a weak play but been OOP against 2+ players ait good and ill always need to hit before i c/b (usually) and even getting raised hurts alot.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

I like a raise pre-flop here, not for value but for balance. I like to raise limpers out of the blinds with various holdings (including absolute air) so I have to balance this by having a good hand sometimes. Well, assuming people are paying attention.

At a higher stake absolutely. At 25NL this isn't necessary because they aren't paying attention.

If the table is known loose passive this is an easy check pre-flop against 3 opponents. Against unknowns I usually raise pre-flop, then kick myself for doing so. You miss the flop a lot and if they almost always call a cbet you're screwed. As played I bet the flop and expect a couple callers. Yes I pay off every 2 pair/set, but I also get paid off by most AJ, AQ, and worse A, sometimes even a retard with QQ/KK.