Quote Originally Posted by Renton
Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
I don't like this hand. It was played like two hillbillies raping a chicken. I lead out every time on this flop. I don't like checkraising the most powerful hand in poker on safe boards. Might as well tell the dinner guests you spit in the soup. Why are you maximizing fold equity? That's the last thing you want. This isn't a pissing contest ("Ha ha, my hand rules and yours doesn't"). This is a value game. Show me this hand when the opponent has 88.
I agree with you 100%.

The only time I make a play like this is when I KNOW I am getting a call.

Ex:

I was in a battle of the blinds on the SB in a nl25 game. I raised to 3xbb with A4s and he calls. The flop comes JJx with two to my suit. I c-bet out and he min-raises: its obvious he has the J. I call. The turn completes my flush. Now using what I know about his hand (that he has the J) and the fact that he's a 25nl player and probably sucks, I know he isn't laying his hand down, no matter what the resistance. So I just open push on the turn and he calls.

You just can't do this with a hand as weak as unimproved AA.
I think you guys are way off.

The flop line was perfect...
Obviously if he calls 1/4 of his stack preflop he has AK or 88+ and is not playing for set value.
If I lead out strong this gives him one last chance to come to the right conclusion about this hand and fold.
Pausing then checking is my chance to convince him of that the reraise was actually and "oops lol" or that I have AK and missed the flop...If I then check/raise to an amount less than all in it clearly reeks of a strong hand. Check-raising all in is the only play that looks like I have little and am desperate to defend the $45 I "accidentally" put in preflop.

And P.S., this is the first time I've ever used this huge reraise line with AA. When I'm in position I definitely think it's more profitable to use a normal reraise and then play some poker. Out of position at this level, reraising to 20-25$ SCREAMS AA-KK and is not likely to win you much money. Just calling is horrible. Reraising to 12-15$ is going to lose you a lot of money against the drawing hands people play at these loose tables; being out of position against two callers sucks. Thus, a play like this may be the most profitable in this situation...after all, ridiculous reraises definitely disguise your hand more than standard ones when youre out of position facing weak position raises.