ATo flops top two on BTN in 8-way pot

Shoving Villain was FATDRUNKNSTUPID running 25/2/1 and I had already stacked him once on a different table when he overbet shoved 99 on KT75 no flush draw and I snapped with KT.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($124.50)
UTG ($81.25)
UTG+1 ($102.35)
MP1 ($9.85)
MP2 ($74.10)
CO ($65.05)
Hero (Button) ($199)
SB ($61.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 10
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($8) 10, 9, A (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $8, 2 folds, UTG raises to $80.25 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero calls $72.25


It could be AA since he limped UTG but he is 25/2. I'm having trouble constructing a range since I know he might just be spite-shoving with junk or maybe even a weak draw. What do you guys think?

You know he shoves stupid... so call.

Any range will be el oh el, and we'll crush cuz wez got top toooooooooooooos....

Preflop is OK, but I prefer to raise. Yeah you gotta call

I love it when villain's name is indicative of his playing style

I wonder why you post this with your reads

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Shoving Villain overbet shoved 99 on KT75

why is this a thread? seriously i want you to tell me why you made this thread

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Shoving Villain overbet shoved 99 on KT75

why is this a thread? seriously i want you to tell me why you made this thread

haha well at the time I thought it was a much closer spot just because it was a limped family pot and villain was UTG. The other hand was way different though, I guess I should have posted that hand history, but on that hand his play was a semi-legitimate bluff because it didn't look like I had anything. On this hand I think it's fairly obvious that I'm literally never bluffing here and I gave him credit for being somewhat of a thinking player if only because his name seemed like a level.

The main reason that I posted this is that this was from my first session stacking the tables and relying on a HUD. I see the numbers 25/2/1 and I don't really know what to think because I haven't actually seen him play a hand the whole way through and show down. I want to get better at constructing a range based on these numbers so I wanted to see if anyone thought that his range here is like {sets, big draws} but I guess not.

Also, in the past 15K hands or so I've been getting coolered and spewing a lot so when he shoved I thought "here we go again." When I'm losing my natural instinct is to examine my play and this seemed similar to a lot of spots where I think "insta-call" and then blame it on a cooler when Villain turns up a better hand. There have been realizations in my poker life that I thought were revolutionary, interesting, or insightful that tons of players (even bad ones) have thought obvious and that I now think obvious. I wanted to keep an open mind about folding here. Maybe this was too extreme of a hand in that my hand is so strong and Villain is such a monkey, but when I'm putting money in with the worst hand so often it's very unsatisfying to blame it on variance instead of thinking about improving my play.

So to summarize:

1. I gave villain credit where none was deserved and got scared by the number of people in the pot.
2. I wanted to gain some insight into how people use HUD numbers.
3. I wanted to have an open mind about a spot that I thought was a very clear decision.

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Preflop is OK, but I prefer to raise. Yeah you gotta call

Yeah I would on a more weak-passive table but these guys weren't folding ever.

describe why an overbet shove with 99 on a board of KT75 was a 'legitimate play'. I am having difficulty conceiving a circumstance where this play would not be absolutely the worst option possible. I am sure that everyone is having a similar problem and as such it's very hard to take your question seriously.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

describe why an overbet shove with 99 on a board of KT75 was a 'legitimate play'. I am having difficulty conceiving a circumstance where this play would not be absolutely the worst option possible. I am sure that everyone is having a similar problem and as such it's very hard to take your question seriously.

It was semi-legitimate in the sense that it showed that he was at least thinking about what hands I could have. There's a certain level of donk thinking where you're convinced that your opponent will fold if you push all-in. So if we know that he's thinking about our range, he must be at least okay with a call, so my question is basically what is his value shoving range and how is it affected by the HUD numbers? Do we throw out the numbers when I have the history that I do? Sorry for phrasing it poorly before.

meh, he's a monkey, you're worried about 5 combos, ez call

reads mean you gotta ship this.
99/TT both more likely than AA for a 25-2, but those reads dude