biggest pot won to date 100 nl

i was worried he had kk here but decidedi coudnt fold. turns out he had AA and couldnt lay it down...
this is sorely needed after dropping $250 in a really bad session yesterday.

POKERSTARS GAME #2839748651: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/10/19 - 04:05:46 (ET)
Table 'Lykaon' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: homeboy604 ($125.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Luckwilldoit ($35.35 in chips)
Seat 3: hollonusar ($44 in chips)
Seat 4: pr1mate ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss428 ($34.80 in chips)
Seat 6: dk006lv ($49 in chips)
Seat 7: Rocket 713 ($130.10 in chips)
Seat 9: charlytb ($38.50 in chips)
hollonusar: posts small blind $0.50
kegparty leaves the table
BlackRain79 joins the table at seat #8
pr1mate: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to homeboy604 [8d 8s]
Hoss428: calls $1
dk006lv: calls $1
Rocket 713: raises $3 to $4
charlytb: folds
homeboy604: calls $4
Luckwilldoit: calls $4
hollonusar: folds
pr1mate: folds
Hoss428: calls $3
dk006lv: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [2d 8h Kc]
Hoss428: checks
dk006lv: checks
Rocket 713: bets $18
homeboy604: calls $18
Luckwilldoit: calls $18
Hoss428: folds
dk006lv: folds
*** TURN *** [2d 8h Kc] [Qc]
Rocket 713: bets $50
homeboy604: raises $50 to $100
Luckwilldoit: folds
Rocket 713: calls $50
*** RIVER *** [2d 8h Kc Qc] [Kh]
Rocket 713: bets $8.10 and is all-in
homeboy604: calls $3.30 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rocket 713: shows [Ad Ah] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
homeboy604: shows [8d 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Kings)
homeboy604 collected $279.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $282.10 | Rake $3
Board [2d 8h Kc Qc Kh]
Seat 1: homeboy604 showed [8d 8s] and won ($279.10) with a full house, Eights full of Kings
Seat 2: Luckwilldoit (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: hollonusar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: pr1mate (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hoss428 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: dk006lv folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Rocket 713 showed [Ad Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 9: charlytb folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Very nice win

Seems fatuous to say it now but... preflop, calling that 4xBB raise with so many people to speak/act/complete/re-raise behind you is possibly a dubious move in the long term. Dunno

Yeah fold pre-flop.

Originally Posted by Silent7

Very nice win

Seems fatuous to say it now but... preflop, calling that 4xBB raise with so many people to speak/act/complete/re-raise behind you is possibly a dubious move in the long term. Dunno

I like the call for the exact reason he won such a large pot... he hit a set when the villian had overpair that he couldn't drop... if it was a 8-12BB raise then it's a definate fold...

Originally Posted by renegaderob1

Originally Posted by Silent7

Very nice win

Seems fatuous to say it now but... preflop, calling that 4xBB raise with so many people to speak/act/complete/re-raise behind you is possibly a dubious move in the long term. Dunno

I like the call for the exact reason he won such a large pot... he hit a set when the villian had overpair that he couldn't drop... if it was a 8-12BB raise then it's a definate fold...

Of course... it's implied odds. If you see and hit the flop you will by definition have a very well-concealed hand and should be able to take him to the cleaners. I'm not worried about the raiser so much...

I'd be more worried about the 3 players still to speak, and the 2 players who have flat called the blind from UTG and UTG+1. How unusual is it to have a raise and FIVE callers with NO re-raise?

Imagine the following scenario:

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to homeboy604 [8d 8s]
Hoss428: calls $1
dk006lv: calls $1
Rocket 713: raises $3 to $4
charlytb: folds
homeboy604: calls $4
Luckwilldoit: calls $4
hollonusar: folds
pr1mate: raises $8 to $12
Hoss428: folds
dk006lv: folds
Rocket 713: calls $8 (nb he might go all in here of course)
homeboy604: ???

Now the pot is $30.5 and you have to call $8... ~ 4:1 odds. Call? Fold? The latter, i would assume.

I'm not saying its a bad move, just that with 2 callers before you and 3 players still to speak then I would expect to lose that $4 more often than i would get to the flop.

with all those people in the pot, that makes your call that much easier. if someone jacks the pot or pushes, oh well you lost 4 dollars.

and, if somoene open raised to 8 or 12 and there were 2 callers before me, i'd call it in a heartbeat.

if you fold preflop you are an idiot

Originally Posted by bair

if you fold preflop you are an idiot

Entirely agreed

Originally Posted by silent7

Seems fatuous to say it now but... preflop, calling that 4xBB raise with so many people to speak/act/complete/re-raise behind you is possibly a dubious move in the long term. Dunno

Originally Posted by Tommydx

Yeah fold pre-flop.

What are you guys smoking? Learn from this thread. Call raises with pocket pairs almost always. It's not even close.

Originally Posted by Tommydx

Yeah fold pre-flop.

You're kidding?

I'd call up to a 6 or maybe even 8xBB raise preflop with any pocket pair. You'll find out why doing that is worth it when you flop a set.

Fold preflop? Umm....WTF-R-U-SERIOUS?!?!!!?1

Anyway, I'm licking my chops if I see a $4 raise with 88 and callers behind me. If someone jacks it up then I may lay my eights down...but I'm hoping for about 5-6 callers going against me. I'm bound to get paid off something huge, much like this guy just did. Nice hand sir, terribly played by your opponent.

I can't believe people are telling him to fold 88 preflop there... is that advice or trying to make people worse?

Anyway nice hand there.. it's nothing significant but you might as well put the other guy all in on the turn with your raise. KK, QQ, KQ beats you here, of which KK is by far the least likely. NH though.. it's always nice to win pots like that.

edit: After reading the HH, KK would have been the last likely with the board pairing cowboys on the river. The hand was already over by then though..

Nice hand sir, terribly played by your opponent.

Preflop and flop bets are standard. Turn should be check/fold with 2 callers on the (uncoordinated) flop.

Interesting all the "wtf are you mad?" to the question about laying 88 down after a PFR with 5 people behind you.

Obviously my thoughts were pretty wrong, and perhaps this is something in my own game which is losing me money - not calling PFR's with good drawing hands even if i think there's a high chance that there will be another raise after me.

The point is of course that ~9 times out of ten you're putting money into a pot where you will miss your set and throw your hand to continued betting, but that 1 time out of ten you should expect to get paid off and more than recoup your 9 calls.

I need to think more before I offer my opinion perhaps - i'm don't think i would actually fold here if it was me, but i would definitely have been thinking "i'm not sure if this is a good call..."