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  1. #1

    Default Bottom 2 No Good?

    Flopped a big blind special, apparently no good, agree?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    SB ($76)
    Hero ($315.90)
    UTG ($141.35)
    UTG+1 ($37.75)
    UTG+2 ($241.35)
    MP1 ($241.49)
    MP2 ($219.95)
    MP3 ($177.65)
    CO ($264.95)
    Button ($101.60)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with , . SB posts a blind of $1.
    UTG calls $2, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($9) , , (4 players)
    Hero bets $6, UTG raises to $16, MP2 folds, CO calls $16, Hero raises to $35, UTG All-in, CO folds, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $76
  2. #2
    Looks like a set of Tens.
  3. #3
    Possible hands I was up against:

    http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
    FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - 2h 2s -- 2d 5c td
    Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
    cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
    5s 2c 90 9.09 900 90.91 0 0.00 0.091
    2s 2h 900 90.91 90 9.09 0 0.00 0.909

    http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
    FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - ad 5d -- 2d 5c td
    Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
    cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
    5s 2c 436 44.04 546 55.15 8 0.81 0.444
    Ad 5d 546 55.15 436 44.04 8 0.81 0.556

    http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
    FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - ad tc -- 2d 5c td
    Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
    cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
    5s 2c 687 69.39 303 30.61 0 0.00 0.694
    Tc Ad 303 30.61 687 69.39 0 0.00 0.306

    CO might have had a hand like this:

    http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
    FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - qd jd -- 2d 5c td
    Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
    cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
    5s 2c 638 64.44 352 35.56 0 0.00 0.644
    Qd Jd 352 35.56 638 64.44 0 0.00 0.356

    I think I was against the first option - trips - the guy was pretty tight and quiet, but woke up on this hand.
  4. #4
    Limpin in on TT? I put him on 22 or 55 after the all in, either way I'm hurting.
  5. #5
    Yea, i've seen a lot of people who limp TT UTG. Not saying it's a good play, but i've seen it quite a bit.

    I was basically saying it looks like he's got a set, I just said TT because it's more likely than 22 or 55 because you have a 2 and a 5 in you rhand.
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    could be a limp/reraise attempt with AA that missed. Thats really all you beat, and you don't beat it by much.
  7. #7
    Yeah, could be Renton, I guess AA could be played similarly... that's interesting, if you had AA here, would you re-raise all-in, call, or fold?

    My image was solid at this table.

    Against AA:

    http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
    FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - Ad Ac -- 2d 5c td
    Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
    cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
    5s 2c 687 69.39 303 30.61 0 0.00 0.694
    Ac Ad 303 30.61 687 69.39 0 0.00 0.306

    I'm a 69% favorite here if that's the case...
  8. #8
    Hm yeah 22 and 55 seem a bit less likely than TT since you already have the 2 and the 5. My instinct tells me he has AA/KK/QQ here, and wants to cash in after slowplaying preflop. If that is the case, you're at 70% to win. Maybe it's optimistic of me but that was my first intuition here.
  9. #9
    AA should be able to get away from the hand after you put in the raise to $35. He has to be really bad to overplay AA that much.
  10. #10
    If he's a non-donkey, he doesn't have A-A. He definitely has a set, doesn't really matter how big his set is. Even if he's just overplaying top pair or an overpair, you aren't a prohibitive favorite.
  11. #11
    Well I have to admit this is a very tough laydown;with the stacks this deep and if you trust your read that villain is remotely competent that he probably has Bottom Two Pair beat and is trying to cash in with you.I guess I'd lay it down also IF I was sure of my read.
  12. #12
    Yeah, it wasn't the easiest to lay down. I could have just called but that wouldn't have done anthing, another card would only hurt me. I can't fold to just $10 more on flopping 2 pair. So I figured I had to find out where I was at with a re-raise.

    When he re-raised me again, a solid image player with the big stack on the table, I think he makes it clear that he can beat my bottom 2 . And I think I made it pretty clear that I had two pair.

    Anyway, I'm not sure about my read, but the betting tells a lot if he's not a maniac. I don't think he was a maniac.
  13. #13
    I think you played the hand perfectly
  14. #14
    I like your fold here. Well played.

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