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Can you fold this set on the flop?

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  1. #1

    Default Can you fold this set on the flop?

    Stage #656319702: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2007-05-14 00:12:55 (ET)
    Table: LIBRA WAY (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
    Seat 4 - WE3ZIE ($103.95 in chips)
    Seat 5 - LUCKYFISHY ($72.52 in chips)
    Seat 6 - FLAIRDEVIL ($21.05 in chips)
    Seat 7 - DOUBLE SL ($29.70 in chips)
    Seat 8 - GRYGHEN ($64.30 in chips)
    Seat 9 - CRAIGLS ($75.20 in chips)
    Seat 1 - KIETLE2008 ($8.20 in chips)
    Seat 2 - STUNNYG525 ($52.70 in chips)
    LUCKYFISHY - Posts small blind $0.25
    FLAIRDEVIL - Posts big blind $0.50
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to WE3ZIE [5d 5c]
    DOUBLE SL - Folds
    GRYGHEN - Folds
    CRAIGLS - Calls $0.50
    KIETLE2008 - Folds
    STUNNYG525 - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
    WE3ZIE - Calls $1.75
    LUCKYFISHY - Folds
    FLAIRDEVIL - Calls $1.25
    CRAIGLS - Calls $1.25
    *** FLOP *** [4c 5s Qd]
    FLAIRDEVIL - Checks
    CRAIGLS - Checks
    STUNNYG525 - Checks
    WE3ZIE - Bets $1.50
    FLAIRDEVIL - Folds
    CRAIGLS - Folds
    STUNNYG525 - Raises $3.50 to $3.50
    WE3ZIE - Raises $6.50 to $8
    STUNNYG525 - Raises $20 to $23.50


    Alright, so i don't have any reads on this guy from earlier but this is screaming QQ, can I fold this?
  2. #2
    Never, ever, never, ever, never, ever, never.
  3. #3
    I am never folding this on the flop. Can you say for sure that opp would never play AA, KK, AQ, KQ or 44 like this?
  4. #4
    No, no, for the love of god no. You want to be all-in here. If he has a higher set, reload. If you start convincing yourself you know when to fold sets to over sets you are going to make the dumbest laydowns in history and get bluffed off monsters. Folding here so so so so -EV
    I started a new job so don't play much ATM, just FTP mini grind
  5. #5
    LOL. One hand beats you, and it's likely this hand doesn't jam the flop. Stack off.
    It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
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    effectivly 100bbs deep you dont fold sets without a possible flush/straight draw being on.
  7. #7
    Is folding sets the cool thing to do? I would think it would not be -ev if you never folded a set at the lower limits on the flop.
  8. #8
    Yeah I understand you shouldn't fold sets on the flop but is it just me or is it reaalllly obvious he has QQ? He wouldn't c/r with AQ or KQ, he would have bet more with AA or KK preflop and wouldn't c/r that either. I mean I was about 75% certain he would flip over QQ when I pushed and he did. 20/20 hindsight maybe but I just couldn't bring myself to fold.

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