correct move?

ok...heres the set up. i limp with btn on a relatively loose/passive table. not a lot of folds pre, but there are some post flop. original raiser is running SLAA. but, isnt out of line. may just be a TAG running hot. HU on turn villain is LPP, not over a lot of hands. but is carrying an AF of 1 and a WSD of 25%.


$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($10.05)
UTG+1 ($6.90)
MP1 ($12.75)
MP2 ($17.75)
CO ($13.30)
Hero ($6.00)
SB ($7.00)
BB ($7.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.1, Hero calls $0.1, SB raises to $0.5, BB calls $0.4, UTG+1 calls $0.4, CO folds, Hero calls $0.4

Flop: ($2.1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero ??

this has to be a good spot for a semi-bluff, but how much? or do we just call w/ pos and try and bust him when the draw hits?

I would usually fold.

If you're raising you may as well shove given stack sizes.

why are you shortstacking? You need to improve your ABC skills at this level.

i fold QTs pre in this situation <150bb deep.
As played it's basically push fold, calling is horrible on a paired board - even if the queens are outs, you don't have pot odds. I fold.

Pre-flop is a pretty easy call. We have position and a pretty good hand closing the action with a fair amount of money behind.

Well everyone checked through the flop and utg+1 bets less than half the pot on the turn, I would think you have a ton of fold equity here. I'm usually betting that flop when it's checked to me as well, it's probably not the right play though.

I don't think you are going to bust anyone if your draw hits to be honest though. Nobody has shown any strength and I don't see why they would go crazy and pay you off if you river the nuts. So you have about zero implied odds for calling.

Then again you aren't repping much and there isn't much reason for an ace high flush draw or any flush draw with over cards to fold here. Unless you limp call with 99. Of course I'm over thinking and I'm sure the villain doesn't even remember preflop action at this point.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Pre-flop is a pretty easy call. We have position and a pretty good hand closing the action with a fair amount of money behind.

Wouldn't it be better to raise the limpers on the button with Q Ts instead of limping behind and calling the sb's raise?

question is we are OEnded and have Q overs. no one is interested until the silly $1 "teaser." i would think we have a shitton of FE here. and can likely bump off TP hands w/ a massive overbet/shove. flush draw, that may have bet 1/2 pot, has to fold here as his odds disappear and he has no implieds to make up for that due to us being short.

if we shove, do we think 2/3 of typical villains fold most of their range here? that plus 11 outs has to be approaching neutral EV...yes?

Originally Posted by pankfish

Originally Posted by Fnord

Pre-flop is a pretty easy call. We have position and a pretty good hand closing the action with a fair amount of money behind.

Wouldn't it be better to raise the limpers on the button with Q Ts instead of limping behind and calling the sb's raise?

Convince me that a raise (other than the rare mix-up) is the better play. We have a good hand and position, lets see a flop with lots of money behind.