Do you ever lay down a set?

***** Hand History for Game 2597405348 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 25, 20:39:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 37138 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mrghnelson ( $101.30 )
Seat 2: Ben__Kenobi ( $31.40 )
Seat 3: Max_Zorin ( $37.98 )
Seat 4: twelver1232 ( $96.05 )
Seat 7: RyRy713 ( $51.94 )
Seat 10: sejje ( $49.25 )
Seat 5: nickws234 ( $48 )
Seat 9: brokeandpoor ( $49.50 )
Seat 6: deadmoneyzz ( $50.90 )
Seat 8: nesta100 ( $51.15 )
nesta100 posts small blind [$0.25].
brokeandpoor posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ 2c 2d ]
sejje calls [$0.50].
mrghnelson raises [$3].
Ben__Kenobi folds.
Max_Zorin folds.
twelver1232 folds.
nickws234 folds.
deadmoneyzz folds.
RyRy713 calls [$3].
nesta100 folds.
brokeandpoor folds.
sejje calls [$2.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Qs, 2s ]
sejje checks.
mrghnelson checks.
RyRy713 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
sejje bets [$4].
mrghnelson raises [$25].
RyRy713 folds.
sejje is all-In [$42.25]
mrghnelson calls [$21.25].
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
mrghnelson shows [ Qc, Qh ] three of a kind, queens.
sejje shows [ 2c, 2d ] three of a kind, twos.
mrghnelson wins $99.25 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.


I see that line with top set now and then. When the guy raised that big on the turn, I really put him on top set. Unfortunately (actually, it's often fortunate), I don't trust my reads enough to lay down my set on this board.

Anyway, just want to know if you guys ever lay that down, even with a good read.

Originally Posted by sejje

***** Hand History for Game 2597405348 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 25, 20:39:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 37138 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mrghnelson ( $101.30 )
Seat 2: Ben__Kenobi ( $31.40 )
Seat 3: Max_Zorin ( $37.98 )
Seat 4: twelver1232 ( $96.05 )
Seat 7: RyRy713 ( $51.94 )
Seat 10: sejje ( $49.25 )
Seat 5: nickws234 ( $48 )
Seat 9: brokeandpoor ( $49.50 )
Seat 6: deadmoneyzz ( $50.90 )
Seat 8: nesta100 ( $51.15 )
nesta100 posts small blind [$0.25].
brokeandpoor posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sejje [ 2c 2d ]
sejje calls [$0.50].
mrghnelson raises [$3].
Ben__Kenobi folds.
Max_Zorin folds.
twelver1232 folds.
nickws234 folds.
deadmoneyzz folds.
RyRy713 calls [$3].
nesta100 folds.
brokeandpoor folds.
sejje calls [$2.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Qs, 2s ]
sejje checks.
mrghnelson checks.
RyRy713 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
sejje bets [$4].
mrghnelson raises [$25].
RyRy713 folds.
sejje is all-In [$42.25]
mrghnelson calls [$21.25].
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
mrghnelson shows [ Qc, Qh ] three of a kind, queens.
sejje shows [ 2c, 2d ] three of a kind, twos.
mrghnelson wins $99.25 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.


I see that line with top set now and then. When the guy raised that big on the turn, I really put him on top set. Unfortunately (actually, it's often fortunate), I don't trust my reads enough to lay down my set on this board.

Anyway, just want to know if you guys ever lay that down, even with a good read.

Sometimes. If it's something really obvious like someone who isn't a big fish raising preflop (I say this because some big fish would play A-K, A-3 or A-9 like this), check-calling a bet and a large raise on an A, 3, 9 rainbow flop, then suddenly giving tons of action on the turn, then I might consider folding 3-3 or 9-9 if the hand becomes too expensive.

If the opponent is willing to fast-play his/her set, then there's very little way of detecting it. That's part of the reason I usually fast play my sets.

I don't lay down sets at 25 or 50 NL with a super safe board because most of the time they will play the same way with TPTK or an over-pair.

If the stacks were deeper, and the players wern't so horrible at this level maybe, but I think playing it for the best hand will pay off in the long run.

A wise man once said

Originally Posted by Fnord

If I have a set and you have a bigger set I pay it off and say "nice hand sir" 15:54:31

Dan Harrington, and I think Doyle Brunson also said that.

If I have a set, and I get beat by an over-set then it just isn't my day.

Anyway, just want to know if you guys ever lay that down, even with a good read.

sure, with heavy betting and a board of: Ks Qs Js Ts 2d