Does anyone have different lines on this hand?

Game #234183213: Texas Hold'em No Limit (50/100) - 2004/11/26 - 23:39:19 (EST)
Table "$500Free 201686 - 6" Seat 10 is the button.
Seat 1: kiof1 (2320 in chips)
Seat 2: HalleyB (4595 in chips)
Seat 3: Styln (9180 in chips)
Seat 4: Jesus1 (2265 in chips)
Seat 5: tapout (4160 in chips)
Seat 6: HangSolo (1885 in chips)
Seat 7: urnam0 (3890 in chips)
Seat 9: natalie82 sits out
Seat 10: jeffw24 (1625 in chips)
kiof1: posts small blind 50
HalleyB: posts big blind 100
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to urnam0 [9s Qs]
Styln: folds
Jesus1: folds
tapout: calls 100
HangSolo: calls 100
urnam0: calls 100
Decent implied odds hand, can hit two pair, trips, FH, flush, straight. Loose/passive enough table to pay me off.
natalie82: folds
natalie82 sits back
jeffw24: calls 100
kiof1: calls 50
HalleyB: checks
----- FLOP ----- [Qh 9h 4h]
kiof1: checks
HalleyB: checks
tapout: bets 1800
Notes on this player: Doesn't raise AA preflop, but does raise TT the minimum.
HangSolo: folds
Possible holdings:TPTK, two pair, set, flush, A/K flush draw. Overbetting the pot is something players at this level of play would do with anything from TPTK-set and flush draw. I felt that there was a low chance of someone overbetting this much with a flush cuz at this level people try to slowplay the obvious nuts. So my impromptu calculations went something like: 20% TPTK, 10% two pair, 20% set, 10% flush, 30% flush draw, 10% something else. My options: Push/call/fold. Calling is just weak.
urnam0: raises to 3790 and is all-in
jeffw24: folds
kiof1: folds
HalleyB: folds
tapout: calls 1990
----- TURN ----- [Qh 9h 4h][5s]
joyce11 sits back
----- RIVER ----- [Qh 9h 4h 5s][8s]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
urnam0: shows [9s Qs] (Two Pairs, Queens and Nines, Eight high)
tapout: shows [6h 8h] (A Flush, Queen high)
tapout collected 8180 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 8180 Main pot 8180 Rake 0
Board [Qh 9h 4h 5s 8s]
Seat 1: kiof1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: HalleyB (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Styln folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Jesus1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tapout showed [6h 8h] and won (8180) with A Flush, Queen high
Seat 6: HangSolo folded on the Flop
Seat 9: natalie82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: jeffw24 (button) folded on the Flop

Doing my calculations in hindsight with the % of possible holdings that my reads told me, 70% of the time by pushing I will win a 2400 chip pot. 25% of the time by pushing I will lose 3790 chips, 5% of the time I will win the whole thing of 8180 chips. EV would be +760 chips, which is a pretty big deal. By folding I will have my above average chip stack and essentially a EV of 0.

I took the Aggressive route, and ended up staring at a flush.

Would anyone have folded? I know it's read dependent, but my read that such an overbet tends to be out of the norm for a flopped flush didn't hold up. In hindsight his overbet was probably to drive out higher flush draws. Thoughts on my plays or reads?

Granted hindsight is 20/20!
I am not comfortable at all accepting any action less than CALLING that flop as WEAK.
To the contrary.
I instinctively consider you had two choices, Call or Fold.
I will concede your play was stylish, bravado, but hell man, you had no hearts!
You were essentially chasing 4 outs for a Full House, vs anybody at that table needing at the very least 9 outs, for a flush!
His bet signaled to me he had hearts.
At the very least Ah Xx.
Unless he has demonstrated in the past that he bluffs or shows a tendency to take reckless stabs at the pot, I have no reason to doubt him.
By your own admission he slow-plays, I don’t know why you didn’t automatically assume he tripped!
I will therefore proceed as though he has trips or better.
This is in light of the fact I’m holding no hearts, chasing a Full House trying to beat a potential flush with a two pair.
At the time you made that All In bet you still had to contend with FOUR other players still in the hand!
Six people saw that SUITED flop!
Additionally, betting the minimum to see that flop.
You have no hearts!
Four of ‘em bet after you!
And you already got one player sayin he has hearts, anybody else here have hearts?
He is asking this to FIVE other players mind you!
He is gambling the first two said no, though they could be slow-playing.
Two to go!
You down a 100 and you gonna risk it all that the five other players don’t have hearts?
AT THE FUCKIN MINUMUM THAT’S A CALL with the realization and acceptance you’re chasing a full house with NO HEARTS!
Surely you weren’t betting that your two pair was going to beat a potential flush with all those players involved!
Clearly a GAMBLE on your part.

You did not respect the table at all in my opinion, and moreover conceited enough to think others should play it as you would if you indeed had the nut flush!
Let’s accept that, still 3 other players have yet had their say on the matter!
I’m not willing enough to assume that risk, nor am I pretentious enough to assume others would play the nut flush in the same manner as I would, rightly or wrongly.
I am especially not going to jump in there naked like that when there are three others that have yet had their say, if I was going for the Full House or not.
tapout made a good bet, and his read for your disrespect towards this table was quite accurate! I think the way you played was on a personal level rather than a mathematical one. I sense tapout got you earlier in the game with a previous hand, correct?

Personally I would have folded.
I am not playing heads up; I am playing five other players here.
If I assumed the risk of chasing that Full House and call 18x Blind, I at the least want everybody else at that table thinking I have the Ace of Hearts.
I therefore have no reason to raise!
I would want callers.
Nor do I want heads up play there.
Clearly I have no hearts, so I’m chasin, I don’t want raisers!
With 5 other players viewing the SUITED flop on a minimum purchase, I aint pickin this time to bluff either!
Hell, even I am holding suited cards and got to play it on the cheap, it just so happens to be the wrong suit!
I am again not looking for heads up play nor do I want to risk all my chips persuading others not to call right now.
Your bet indicates to me, knowing your cards, your purposely went to play heads up with tapout and guessed wrong, ignoring the other players.
Am I correct?

Originally Posted by TDM100

I instinctively consider you had two choices, Call or Fold.

I think that if he would've called here that still would've meant he was risking all his chips. 90% of the time if someone bets out that much on the flop and get's called by one, you can expect him to set that guy all in on the turn if he has him covered.

So I think his two choices are all-in or fold. He chose all-in, that's OK, because that is probably his style. But I'm a tight ass so I would've probably folded .

I agree with dwarfy, if he would have called, he would have been put all in on the turn anyways, soo either had to go all in or fold.

I also think TDM is right in saying you shouldnt have gone all in on that hand, it was a clear fold situation, their were 5 people in that hand and at least 1 of them was going to have 2 or 1 heart.

Iconoclastic, i understand why u called, i also make mistakes like that quite often.

Next time dont be so quick to judge your table, you got played this time

Originally Posted by elanto

I agree with dwarfy, if he would have called, he would have been put all in on the turn anyways, soo either had to go all in or fold.

I also think TDM is right in saying you shouldnt have gone all in on that hand, it was a clear fold situation, their were 5 people in that hand and at least 1 of them was going to have 2 or 1 heart.

Iconoclastic, i understand why u called, i also make mistakes like that quite often.

Next time dont be so quick to judge your table, you got played this time

Does anyone know of a chart that lists the % chance that SOMEONE has a flopped flush if flop is all the same suit and a X number of players saw the flop?

I agree with just about everything TDM100 said. Except for your belief that it was call or fold. If you instictually put it on call or fold, you're basically putting it on ALLin or Fold after one more card.

That being said: His big bet on the flop was protecting a hand like a set or missplaying a hand like the nut or near nut flush. (or protecting the small flush , you should really not show the result of the hand before we all can put our points out there. Gives less bullcrap answers.)

Everything worth saying was covered by TDM100. Welcome to the boards, man.

Now, I've got a question: You've got the baby flush and overbet the pot and get moved in for the rest of your stack. Easy call? (In this scenario and outside of this scenario, you bet 1/5 or 1/6 of your stack and get pushed for the rest.)

-'rilla