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    Default Extracting value w/nut flush vs river minraise

    Table has been kinda passive preflop. I have been a bit LAG I think (at least compared to my usual style), taking away lots of pots post flop. No real read on the villain.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    SB ($33.65)
    BB ($18.55)
    Hero ($25.65)
    UTG+1 ($9.40)
    MP1 ($3.43)
    MP2 ($10.30)
    MP3 ($5.90)
    CO ($44.79)
    Button ($26.81)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
    Hero calls $0.25, 5 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

    Flop: ($0.85) 7, T, 5 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, Button calls $0.50, BB folds. <-- tried to semi bluff it, putting him on either a lower flush draw or AT/similar.

    Turn: ($1.85) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.9, Button calls $0.90. <-- hit my flush, decided to lead half pot to set up a larger bet on the river. Putting him on either a made flush or a (imho badly played) set.
    River: ($3.65) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.5, Button raises to $5, Hero?? <-- ok, he minraises me after I've lead out on all streets. He's got something he likes, it's payday. But how much to bet to extract most value?
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    I'd make it $12 to go. Just a feel thing - that's my usual raise for this kind of situation unless I have a read on the player (or the hand he's holding) that says he'll call more. He could easily have a straight, a mini-flush, or something dumb like two pair here - or as you say a badly played set - and you want to make sure he feels obligated to call. If he has a flush he'll probably put all the money in anyway.
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    I'd push this because your image is LAG
    Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL
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    push
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    HalvSame is all-In [$21.50]
    shoeman8257 calls [$19].
    shoeman8257 shows [ 3h, Qh ] a flush, queen high.
    HalvSame shows [ 9h, Ah ] a flush, ace high.
    HalvSame wins $49.10 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with ace kicker.

    But I'm not really sure it was the right move. I put him on a flush and figured he would call. But as someone said, if he has the flush, his stack is probably going in the middle anyway. I think pushing probably lets the straights/sets/random semijunk off the hook too easily.

    I guess the real question is how often does he push a non-nut flush after I've lead/raised the river, as opposed to how often does he flat call my (non-all in) raise with straights or worse?
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    Whenever I put my opponent on a really strong hand that he probably won't lay down unless scare cards come, but I know mine is stronger, I always push immediately.
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    at 25nl i think you are being called by straights, sets, and lower flushes every time, and sometimes even 2 pair.
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    id think for a little while then push

    not instapush but not think for too long either
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    Quote Originally Posted by bair
    at 25nl i think you are being called by straights, sets, and lower flushes every time, and sometimes even 2 pair.
    This is what I think as well. PUSH.
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    He has a smaller flush and he is not laying it down. You have to push for 2 reasons: 1) its more likely to get called than a value bet, and 2) 1 called push equals quite a few value bets.

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