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Fold QQ pre?

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  1. #1

    Default Fold QQ pre?

    Villain was 14/7.. and this was near the start of my session...
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    saw flop|saw showdown

    UTG ($49.50)
    UTG+1 ($4.40)
    MP1 ($47.75)
    MP2 ($58.15)
    MP3 ($50)
    CO ($49.25)
    Hero ($50)
    SB ($61)
    BB ($20.25)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
    UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $20, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $17.75
    So you click their picture and then you get their money?
  2. #2
    Yes. Nice fold. Don't 3-bet 16xBB over a 4xBB 2-bet.
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  3. #3
    I have generally stopped 3-betting QQ pf vs a tight player who isn't in an obvious steal position, especially if I will be in position postflop.

    I think the 3-bet leaves us in a bad spot regardless of how it goes. You are usually folding out the part of their range that we have crushed. You are getting some calls from JJ, but they are shutting down on all but the most favourable of flops for them.

    You are allowing AK to push you off your hand if he goes apeshit and decides to 4-bet, and allowing AA/KK to see a flop and go for an obvious check-raise in a bloated pot, allowing you to commit yourself before announcing that you are way behind.

    If the player is likely to call a 3-bet with AQ/AJ/TT/JJ as well, then they are better candidates for a 3-bet. But even then, I think that allowing them to see the flop thinking that they are likely ahead is better than telling them pf that you most likely have a big pair/AK.

    If you are OOP, or likely to be seeing a multiway flop then it again swings more towards the 3-bet end of the spectrum.

    This is just how I have been playing it lately though. I am most likely thinking incorrectly about something here.
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  4. #4
    I think this is a no brainer fold, someone with these stats is very rarely doing this with AK/1010/JJ etc.

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