Is this foldable?

I lost a huge pot here. I flopped top set. Opponent was not very imagnative, he was clearly scared -- he took a long while to call my 4-bet and yet he led out turn. Would he have led out unimproved?

I didn't shove flop only because I didn't want to lose him. Was it bad given that I failed to fold even after I was outdrawn?

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Your flop raise sucks. This should've all gone in on the flop after he reraises. No, you never fold this.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Your flop raise sucks. This should've all gone in on the flop after he reraises. No, you never fold this.

Do you not think villain gets away from a push 4bet here?

Is this optimal given his play leads us to believe he's on 2 outs?

That said, would putting in $3-4 then $15 be any different? Maybe not, but it might mean we make that little extra if he does fold.

Assume not very imaginative = no QJh. It probably also discounts 55 from that position.

The only thing you can have working for you here is: I don't think an unimaginative player ever leads for $4 into $35 vs an op who 4bet the last street as a blocker.

I am all for losing your stack here.

Lol fold second to nuts v. a precise KK and nothing else? nah. As far as how it's played, yeah seems good to me. You were betting + luring with the nuts, and apparently got a mere overpair to come along. I'd say excellent. Guy spikes a 2 outer, can't complain.

lol there is no way you fold this.

and quit raising like a pussy. your first raise was minimum/almost min? and the last one on the flop should have been a push,

Originally Posted by Infamous

Originally Posted by Warpe

Your flop raise sucks. This should've all gone in on the flop after he reraises. No, you never fold this.

Do you not think villain gets away from a push 4bet here?

I'm talking about the initial raise:

Flop: (Pot: $2.85)
BET p1rado, $1.25
RAISE BBQSquirrel , $1.50 to $2.75
RAISE p1rado, $3 to $5.75
RAISE BBQSquirrel , $10.25 to $16
CALL p1rado, $10.25

If we're raising here, making it ~$5 makes getting all-in a lot easier if villain repops with his KK.

If you think you're outdrawn you would have to put him on QJ. And if he had QJh you have re-draw outs with the pot odds to call.

Holy frickin crap bearcat and avatar...damnit my college days blew compared to that I mean - two teton smooshed together == totally the shit!

Oh, and - as stated, initial flop reraise sucks - raise 3x - after that if you aren't allin preflop then you aren't gettin away on the luckbox 2-outer on the turn so fergit about it.

get it all in on the flop or the turn

Thanks for all the responses. I think the concensus was that my initial flop raise was useless and set me up for this misery. I might have lost the hand regardless of how I played it, but I certainly wouldn't have needed to get down on myself for getting all-in while behind.