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 Originally Posted by dsaxton
Originally Posted by Ultimate George
It just doesn't seem like it would be profitable at all in the long run. Yeah, when you hit you will get paid off big willy style, but how often are you going to hit it like that?
Most of the time you'll be throwing money away here.
I don't necessarily have to play the hand for value. He can miss with overcards and allow me to take the pot, or can have a made hand on the flop and I can represent a better one on later streets. I wasn't really planning on doing that here, but there are other ways of winning than at a showdown.
That's true, but that's also true about better cards than 63o... any hand can win in the right situations, and given the right opponent. To me that's just what I'd call a "fudge factor" kind of like implied odds. If you're a good player you can fudge the pot odds a little bit based on your ability to outplay your opponent and win despite having the lesser hand. But I don't like to lean too heavily on it.
I understand what you're saying though. I've been experimenting a lot lately with playing & raising garbage hands. Playing like Negreanu suggests is a real learning experience - just try to raise all the time with basically any two cards, and see if you can break even over a long session. It can really hone your post-flop play.
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