thanks.

i actually did play a hand very similar to this (twelve outs) and bet/reraised all in on the flop in a 3-way pot and was against a set and didn't draw out, so it's not completely foreign to me. just haven't been successful with it in the past since my experience is that deep stacks dont like to get it in without monsters.

i'll work on it. kinda figured it's something to do at higher, more aggressive stakes where players play marginal hands fast and heavy, and more metagame is needed.

the odds situation is weird, though. i see how we're getting odds to call, but to raise? if we're a dog then raising can only be correct if FE odds and/or image alterations are enough.