Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
Even 100bb, but not as often that. Midstackers vs midstackers need twice as many stacks to achieve the rate of fullstackers vs fullstackers rates.
Here is where we disagree. First, most pots are pretty small even with deep money. Most people vastly under-estimate how important those pots are unless we're trapping someone way over-playing hands who will get trapped too often (and if this is the case we WANT to cover them.) Second, you're probably over-estimating your edge when getting it all-in against another full stack.
It's difficult for me to decipher what you're saying since you're saying we want to play two different ways, actually. Are you saying that midstacking is optimal, yet when there are fullstacked donkeys then fullstacking is optimal? The reason I buy in full is because of all the fullstacked donkeys. I don't overestimate my edge vs them when felted for 100bb, that's for sure. Good regs is a different matter.

It looks to me like when playing midstacked we're losing out against poor deep players, which is bad big time, yet we're tying to make up for it by getting that extra 10-15bb in as a favorite when villian is committed to our midstack a lot more often than we would if we were deep. And sometimes we are the ones who are committed with the inferior hand. Alos, not getting pushed out of pots. That is quite an important factor, but on the flip side, we're unable to push others out as a midstack.

If the most donkeys ever had in their stacks were 50bbs then no doubt it would be optimal to play 50bbs and no higher. I do not see how the advantages listed out weigh pwning deep donkeys.

Personally, though, I am adversed to me playing midstacked because I'm only getting better at fullstacking, my history has been very poor with 20bb stacking, and I don't like leaving a table because I double up. I do, however, instantly agree that midstacking is probably very awesome when taking a shot at a higher stake. I'm not yet sure if I want to try this strategy. I'm guessing I'll be sorta lost preflop.