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    Default Hands from today's UP session for comment...

    #1

    Probably could have made a lot more from this hand. I feel that the river card kinda nuked my action potential though. I just didn't put villain on as strong a hand as a set, otherwise I'd a bet a whole lot more on all streets.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    MP3 ($20.90)
    CO ($29.55)
    Button ($61.71)
    SB ($4.50)
    Hero ($24.75)
    UTG ($32.90)
    UTG+1 ($17.05)
    MP1 ($71.95)
    MP2 ($8.30)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
    5 folds, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, CO calls $1.

    Flop: ($2.60) A, 6, 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1.

    Turn: ($4.60) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $2.

    River: ($10.60) T (2 players)
    Hero bets $4, CO calls $4.

    Final Pot: $18.60

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
    CO has 6s 6h (three of a kind, sixes).
    Outcome: Hero wins $18.60.


    #2

    Seems pretty straight forward. I figured I was either way ahead or way way behind. But since I was ahead of more hands than behind I just went with it.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    MP3 ($25)
    CO ($20.73)
    Button ($39.01)
    SB ($41.33)
    Hero ($41.33)
    UTG ($7.72)
    UTG+1 ($24.60)
    MP1 ($9.99)
    MP2 ($29.49)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.75, Button folds.

    Flop: ($4.85) 4, 3, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $6, MP3 calls $6.

    Turn: ($16.85) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $17, MP3 calls $17 (All-In).

    River: ($50.85) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $50.85

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Ad Kh (three of a kind, aces).
    MP3 has Ah Jc (three of a kind, aces).
    Outcome: Hero wins $50.85.


    #3

    EDIT: Hand #3 is DELORTED!

    #4

    By far my biggest loss of the night. I know I was ahead here, so I am completely confident that the play wasn't bad. My question is, could it have been better?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    BB ($35.23)
    UTG ($8.63)
    UTG+1 ($25.60)
    UTG+2 ($29.45)
    MP1 ($6.88)
    MP2 ($28.60)
    MP3 ($24.75)
    CO ($13.88)
    Hero ($40.83)
    SB ($19.12)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 8. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
    UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.25.

    Flop: ($3.35) 6, 5, 3 (6 players)
    UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $3, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $33.46, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $22.10 (All-In).

    Turn: ($61.91) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($61.91) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $61.91

    Results in white below:
    UTG+1 has Ah Ac (one pair, aces).
    Hero has 7d 8d (high card, queen).
    Outcome: UTG+1 wins $53.55. Hero wins $8.36.


    Ok the last two hands are QQ hands. QQ has been the kiss of death for me tonight. I have had it 8 (!!) times in thte 833 hands I played this session and I either stole the blinds, or I got stacked (xcept for the two times I stacked someone else with it).

    #5

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    CO ($7.02)
    Button ($46.20)
    Hero ($76.05)
    BB ($36.89)
    UTG ($11)
    UTG+1 ($23.80)
    MP1 ($58.29)
    MP2 ($19.50)
    MP3 ($10.45)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $4.9, 1 fold, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $19.25 (All-In), MP3 folds, Hero calls $14.50.

    Flop: ($41.50) 7, T, 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($41.50) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($41.50) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $41.50

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Qs Qh (two pair, queens and fives).
    MP2 has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and fives).
    Outcome: MP2 wins $41.05. Hero wins $0.45.


    #6

    As long as I keep making goofs like this, I will always remain a fish.

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    SB ($15.86)
    BB ($23.10)
    UTG ($34.26)
    MP1 ($43.78)
    Hero ($25.32)
    CO ($13)
    Button ($7.06)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.10. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
    UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.

    Flop: ($3.20) 6, T, 9 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $3.8, UTG calls $3.80.

    Turn: ($10.80) 8 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks.

    River: ($10.80) J (2 players)
    UTG bets $10.36, Hero calls $10.36.

    Final Pot: $31.52

    Results in white below:
    UTG has Kh Qd (straight, king high).
    Hero has Qc Qs (straight, queen high).
    Outcome: UTG wins $31.52.
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    Yeah i was going to comment on these but theres a lot of unrelated hands together which makes it a challenge!

    So:

    #1 looks like how i would play it. I would raise the flop about 50% of the time, depending on what i think my image is... I too would be thinking "could i have got more from that".

    #2 is a position that's painful to be in - betting into someone who just keeps on calling. I think you did what you could though and put maximum pressure on him.

    #3 is the same hand as #2.

    #4 is pretty ! 15 outs which turn out to be clean. 0.85:1 by my thinking. El Stoveo del Pokero says you're 56.2% to win... +EV enough to push it. Dont know what to say about that so i will let someone better comment.

    #5 with the QQ... Well my mind has been changed a bit from my conversations with Fnord this afternoon... what do you put someone on when they re-re-raise you all-in preflop? QQ+ or (maybejustmaybe) AK, really. It would hurt but that is a fold. Easy to say, now i just have to put that into practice.

    #6 YOU'RE the fish? Jesus H. At least you had a hand. It's scary to bet into a "made" flush on the turn but i think you need to keep going but prepare to fold to a reraise. I don't think he would be sophisticated enough to check-raise bluff that but hey. I hope you made some notes on this player/hand.
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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by DogOnMySide
    #1 looks like how i would play it. I would raise the flop about 50% of the time, depending on what i think my image is... I too would be thinking "could i have got more from that".
    Stupid easy river push. Although I bet out this flop a lot, your line froze up a set!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by DogOnMySide
    #1 looks like how i would play it. I would raise the flop about 50% of the time, depending on what i think my image is... I too would be thinking "could i have got more from that".
    Stupid easy river push. Although I bet out this flop a lot, your line froze up a set!
    I felt like I was treading thin here. This wasn't a very loose table, so i just KNEW a push wasn't getting called. Little did I know villain had a set...

    Also I try pushing rivers like this often and I think its a huge leak in my game because I am not getting calls. I figured a safe value bet was in order.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    I felt like I was treading thin here. This wasn't a very loose table, so i just KNEW a push wasn't getting called. Little did I know villain had a set...
    That board gives your opponent 2 pair or a set quite often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    Also I try pushing rivers like this often and I think its a huge leak in my game because I am not getting calls. I figured a safe value bet was in order.
    Some simple math will solve this problem for you (hint: get called less, make more money.) Also consider that over-bets are more likely to get called by loose post-flop players on early streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Some simple math will solve this problem for you (hint: get called less, make more money.)
    Are you suggesting that if my river overbets even get called a small percentage of the time, that I would profit more than if my small value bets were called 90% of the time?
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    Renton can you explain your thought process during hand 1?

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie
    Renton can you explain your thought process during hand 1?

    Thanks.
    My preflop raises where getting a ridiculous amount of respect at this table. So I a made a modest raise with only two players to act and one called.

    With the flop I figured I had the deck crippled, so I checked it trying to represent TT-KK and hoping to induce a bet. He bets I think and call.

    Turn comes and the board still doesn't appear dangerous to me in any way, I continue to slow play and he bets at me again. I figure he's got a weak holding and I am not making anymore money of this hand so I raise him.

    River comes, I don't put him on KJ, I figure he has a small pair in the hole, like 8's or so and I bet as much as I figured he'd call (a little less than half the pot).
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    The thing is, there's a lot of hands that can continue against you if you played it a bit more standardly/agressively.

    Ax, 66, 77, 67, 89, 54, perhaps even 88-KK. You're line just screams monster.. like Fnord said, you froze up a set. That board should be a stacking for you 100% of the time there.

    Ignoring results, do you really think you can win a big pot here against a marginal hand by raising preflop, checking the flop, and then putting in a lot of money on later streets? I know there are exceptions, but I find this generally doesn't work very well.

    You also have QQ-KK a lot in this spot, and not betting out here is a meta-game disaster IMO...
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    There have been a couple hands recently where I've saved a lot of money pretty much check/calling sets after my opponent has shown lines where I knew he had exactly nothing or flopped really really big. If an ABC player gives me a free turn card and I hit a small set I'm no longer looking at stacks. If he played AK TPTK like that, then oh well. Most players in my game know enough to bet something to protect their pair. It's almost always top set or better jerking me around or a whiffed AK (or whatever) thinking he's restealing.

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