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  1. #1

    Default HELP! Been a while

    Ok it's been a while. I'm generally playing 0.5/1.0 NL lately and I'm extremely frustrated. As far as I know from +EV i should have made some money but i'm way down. I'm not sure if *only* beats are to be blamed though.

    I need some advice on the following hands:
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    Game #1562565213: Hold'em NL (£0.50/£1) - 2005/12/12 - 19:21:49 (BST)
    Table "Alex" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: 2_y_y_2 (£53 in chips)
    Seat 2: Jack290 (£118.18 in chips)
    Seat 3: Boshmosh (£56.33 in chips)
    Seat 4: herbanov (£123.25 in chips)
    Seat 5: Geof01016 (£16 in chips)
    Seat 6: steve13 (£49.91 in chips)
    herbanov: posts small blind £0.50
    Geof01016: posts big blind £1
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to herbanov [Kd Kc]
    steve13: calls £1
    2_y_y_2: folds
    Jack290: folds
    Boshmosh: folds
    herbanov: raises to £4
    Geof01016: folds
    steve13: calls £3
    ----- FLOP ----- [7c As 4c]
    herbanov: bets £5
    steve13: calls £5
    ----- TURN ----- [7c As 4c][3c]
    herbanov: bets £5
    steve13: calls £5
    ----- RIVER ----- [7c As 4c 3c][2d]
    herbanov: checks
    steve13: bets £13
    herbanov: folds
    Returned uncalled bets £13 to steve13
    steve13: doesn't show hand
    steve13 collected £27.75 from Main pot
    ----- SUMMARY -----
    Total pot £29 Main pot £27.75 Rake £1.25
    Board [7c As 4c 3c 2d]
    Seat 1: 2_y_y_2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Jack290 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Boshmosh (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: herbanov (small blind) folded on the River
    Seat 5: Geof01016 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: steve13 collected £27.75

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    ------HAND 14------
    Game #1565013003: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2005/12/12 - 22:55:45 (UK)
    Table "Alnitak" Seat 1 is the button.
    Seat 1: thomas996 sits out
    Seat 2: Ijcspeed ($119.25 in chips)
    Seat 3: herbanov ($96 in chips)
    Seat 4: MadDog80 ($147.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: chita ($72 in chips)
    Ijcspeed: posts small blind $0.50
    herbanov: posts big blind $1
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to herbanov [Kd Th]
    MadDog80: folds
    chita: calls $1
    Ijcspeed: folds
    herbanov: checks
    ----- FLOP ----- [Kh Ts Qh]
    herbanov: bets $1
    chita: calls $1
    ----- TURN ----- [Kh Ts Qh][2h]
    herbanov: bets $1
    chita: raises to $2
    herbanov: calls $1
    ----- RIVER ----- [Kh Ts Qh 2h][9c]
    herbanov: checks
    chita: bets $10
    herbanov: folds
    Returned uncalled bets $10 to chita
    chita: doesn't show hand
    chita collected $8.25 from Main pot

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    I am dealt KQ off suit

    > bspahn raised for $3
    > cagey250 called for $3
    > Duckfighter folded
    > Ballex88 folded
    > Dealing the Flop(Qd 8c 5d)
    > bspahn bet for $5
    > cagey250 called for $5
    > Dealing the turn(5h)
    > bspahn bet for $8
    > cagey250 called for $8
    > Dealing the river(10d)
    > bspahn bet for $10
    > cagey250 raised for $30
    > bspahn folded
    > cagey250 mucked
    > cagey250 wins $70.85

    -------------------
    > Game # 611,248,952 starting.
    > Dealing Hole Cards
    > bspahn dealt Ad 9h
    > Duckfighter called for $1
    > Ballex88 called for $1
    > bjatlor folded
    > bspahn called for $0.50
    > cagey250 checked
    > Dealing the Flop(7c Ac 5c)
    > bspahn checked
    > cagey250 checked
    > Duckfighter bet for $3
    > Ballex88 folded
    > bspahn called for $3
    > cagey250 folded
    > Dealing the turn(Qd)
    > bspahn checked
    > Duckfighter bet for $7
    > bspahn called for $7
    > Dealing the river(5h)
    > bspahn checked
    > Duckfighter bet for $24
    > bspahn, you have 10 seconds to respond
    > bspahn folded
    > Duckfighter mucked
    > Duckfighter wins $46.80

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  2. #2
    Additional Information:

    I seem to have a problem putting people on hands, I'm just not learning something right. At least a handful of times per day I have a reasonable hand (TPTK etc) when i bet the flop bet the turn and either get raised there or on the river. I'll generally call minraises but when I bet $5 and someone raises to $15 I almost never call. Some examples are above.

    At this exact limit, how often are people really bluffing as it *seems* they are a lot of the time, to me. If someone bets the pot on the river or overbets at any given stage - I have no idea what that means!!

    It's extremely frustrating and I have no idea how to approach this differently. People view me as the ultra-tight player at every single table I'm at and I think I'm grossly being taken advantage of through bluffs!

    PLEASE HELP!!
  3. #3
    I muck all of those.

    Hand 1) I check/fold the turn. Not worth the $5 (I'll use a dollar sign)

    Hand 2) I think the easiest laydown. The turn brought both the flush and the one-card straight with a jack. I think he's got a flush.

    Hand 3) I think Fnord would say "you have to call that sometimes." I say fold it this time. I don't usually pay off when people hit the flush. If they're bluffing, okay, they drew without odds to TRY and bluff me. If they make a smaller raise I probably call.

    Hand 4) I think the first 10.50 was put in behind. If he doesn't have a flush, he's surely at least got you kicked. I think he has a flush. Easy river fold.

    I've been playing 100NL lately, and I don't feel like (most) of the players are big bluffers. They overestimate hand strength a lot (I'm one of those), but raises in a medium sized pot are usually pretty big raises. I wouldn't expect you to win any of the above hands if you called.
  4. #4
    so what do you think of overbets like the $10 on $8 pot? I find those ridiculous. If you have a good hand and want a call you WILL make a value bet, that is NOT a value bet

    strikes me that often when you see players do that a couple times against you they are EITHER bluffing or have a strong hand and want you to call thinking it's a bluff. Either way tough scenario

    how about the following hand:
    #Game No : 3199978416
    ***** Hand History for Game 3199978416 *****
    $100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 14, 14:05:14 EDT 2005
    Table Table 65740 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Total number of players : 6
    Seat 3: Ziebed ( $110.60 )
    Seat 6: BSPAHN ( $106.17 )
    Seat 1: RealMeatHook ( $63.60 )
    Seat 5: Paint222 ( $107.20 )
    Seat 4: pokerbreznik ( $0 )
    Seat 2: MGAMBS60 ( $75.25 )
    RealMeatHook posts small blind [$0.50].
    MGAMBS60 posts big blind [$1].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to BSPAHN [ Kd Kc ]
    Ziebed folds.
    Paint222 folds.
    BSPAHN raises [$4].
    RealMeatHook folds.
    MGAMBS60 calls [$3].

    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 6h, 2d ]
    MGAMBS60 checks.
    BSPAHN bets [$8].
    MGAMBS60 calls [$8].

    ** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
    MGAMBS60 checks.

    BSPAHN bets [$10].
    MGAMBS60 calls [$10].

    ** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
    MGAMBS60 is all-In [$53.25]
    BSPAHN folds.
    MGAMBS60 does not show cards.
    MGAMBS60 wins $95.75
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    Betting KK on an ace high flop is -ev imo. You raise preflop and get a call. Put opp on a few hands, AQ maybe AJ AKis also possible, but you would expect a reraise or a pp. Being first to act here i would check it, let opp define his hand. The point i would make here is that if opp has the ace then if the flush hits you have a bluff oppertunity. Otherwise its an easy fold if he bets i guess.
    2nd hand id bet hard. If u get a cold call then you could be up against AJ or a drawer. Noone else stays in this pot if you play it hard.#
    hand3. you have to call here. Too easy for opp to have a flush or two pair. If he goes around calling raises with QT then u wanna play more poker with him! The only hand i fear here is AQ, if he has the flush again get him labelled.
    Hand4 reraise here or fold. SImple. look for cheap showdown. Checking the river is soooo bad!

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