so what do you think of overbets like the $10 on $8 pot? I find those ridiculous. If you have a good hand and want a call you WILL make a value bet, that is NOT a value bet

strikes me that often when you see players do that a couple times against you they are EITHER bluffing or have a strong hand and want you to call thinking it's a bluff. Either way tough scenario

how about the following hand:
#Game No : 3199978416
***** Hand History for Game 3199978416 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 14, 14:05:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 65740 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Ziebed ( $110.60 )
Seat 6: BSPAHN ( $106.17 )
Seat 1: RealMeatHook ( $63.60 )
Seat 5: Paint222 ( $107.20 )
Seat 4: pokerbreznik ( $0 )
Seat 2: MGAMBS60 ( $75.25 )
RealMeatHook posts small blind [$0.50].
MGAMBS60 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BSPAHN [ Kd Kc ]
Ziebed folds.
Paint222 folds.
BSPAHN raises [$4].
RealMeatHook folds.
MGAMBS60 calls [$3].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 6h, 2d ]
MGAMBS60 checks.
BSPAHN bets [$8].
MGAMBS60 calls [$8].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
MGAMBS60 checks.

BSPAHN bets [$10].
MGAMBS60 calls [$10].

** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
MGAMBS60 is all-In [$53.25]
BSPAHN folds.
MGAMBS60 does not show cards.
MGAMBS60 wins $95.75