Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
Quote Originally Posted by benny999
Rondavu--wouldn't block betting be better here? I would rather check call (more like c/r) if the flush draw missed...
What's the difference between a block bet and a value bet in this spot?

You block bet against super aggro players who are going to push a lot when they have it and when they don't if you check to them, knowing you don't have it. Normal players are going to price you in with it and without it.

Block bets are a necessary artform of the higher levels for the most part in my mind, to minimize hard decisions against tough players. I could be wrong.

I would block bet Gabe in this spot, because he would just push if I checked to him.
I think block bets are best against normal players that might check behind with a worse hand - they're like value bets combined with a test, so you can fold if raised. The opp here isn't a super agrro either, so you can respect a raise. Actually I didn't see he is a half buy so blocking is basically a push anyway.

Against a full buy superaggro, it's trickier. I've actually been thinking about this a lot today from reading a 2p2 thread that made me remember a thread by Gabe - http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-34400.htm In this hand he can't really check or block bet small because it is likely to induce a bluff push. It's also not good to check/fold or of course open fold like dsaxton wrote. So he basically bet something that appears comittal, even though only better hands will call/raise it (typical -ev argument), it gets him to make the lesser mistake of folding to a bluff raise. The 2p2 thread that got me thinking about this is http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=7189635 This el diablo guy wrote something like, lets say not doing X (eg a value or protection bet) is a mistake of $Y, but if you do X and your opp causes you a mistake of $Z, which is more than $Y, then you probably shouldn't do X.

Wow that was a lot to type..sorry about the hijack panther.