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How bad is this backdoor draw?

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  1. #1

    Default How bad is this backdoor draw?

    Is this a spot where folks mostly fold the flop to the minreraise?
    Just figured I'd hunt the turn - if I didn't improve at all I'm check-folding...I probably should have led the turn for something as if I still had some overpair...might have made more overall. Meaning I could have led for $10 on the turn and see what happens...but in that case he probably just calls the turn and folds the river...and I don't get to gauge is hand strength at all - the turn is an obvious call and I went for the river checkraise as it looks just as much like I missed AK/AQ as anything else.
    Results posted because the play is more the question and the board makes the results obvious.

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    9 players
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    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $10.05
    UTG+1: $75.55
    MP1: $35.30
    MP2: $52.05
    MP3: $49.50
    _TheHorror_: $48
    Button: $60
    SB: $48.75
    BB: $87.80

    Pre-flop: (9 players) _TheHorror_ is CO with A 9
    5 folds, _TheHorror_ raises to $2, Button calls, 2 folds.

    Flop: 6 4 J ($4.75, 2 players)
    _TheHorror_ bets $3, Button raises to $6, _TheHorror_ calls.

    Turn: 7 ($16.75, 2 players)
    _TheHorror_ checks, Button bets $4, _TheHorror_ calls.

    River: 2 ($24.75, 2 players)
    _TheHorror_ checks, Button bets $5, _TheHorror_ raises to $15, Button calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: $54.75
    _TheHorror_ shows AS 9S
    Button shows JS AH
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    I think it's fine because if you spike an A you probably will have a winning hand as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    I think it's fine because if you spike an A you might have a winning hand as well.
    Weak tight me just folds the flop to his minraise, being oop against an unknown with A high and a backdoor draw just doesn't do it for me.

    As played I think I lead the river. No one believes runner-runner flushes, and with the small bet on the turn he's either got
    a) nothing and won't call a raise but might bluff at it if we check
    b) a half decent hand, in which case he's a donk and will not fold it if we bet, but he might check behind if we dont
    c) a strong hand that he can't lay down after this action and will probably raise us so we can get all in (ie a set or a straight).

    I think we gain too little by inducing a three-street bluff in a) compared to the value we lose in b) or c) to make the c/r the best play.

    Edit; and as played I think we can c/r a bit bigger because our line just looks so weird that he's likely to look us up.
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    I probably fold the flop too, unless I think he is capable of making a play on me. I think the rest was played fine except c/r more on the river.
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    Yea so like I catch the semi-hidden backdoor draw and I really don't overplay it enough.
    That's what I figured.

    River check-raise is pretty risky since his hand didn't look that strong, and then you're right I didn't raise enough!
    Silly. If he's calling $15 he woulda called $20 anyway...bleh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaHorror
    River check-raise is pretty risky since his hand didn't look that strong, and then you're right I didn't raise enough!
    Silly. If he's calling $15 he woulda called $20 anyway...bleh.
    I'm just getting started at this ring thing, but I make the river $25-30. Villain doesn't have to call much for it to be more eV. From experience I can't say if that's true.

    I would probably call the flop min-raise because I fucking hate min-raises and love trying to stack someone for trying it.
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    i like to push when i hit my back door draw, opponents always think.. nooo.. he couldnt have a flush, they came on the tunr/river!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryToma
    i like to push when i hit my back door draw, opponents always think.. nooo.. he couldnt have a flush, they came on the tunr/river!
    I was thinking the same thing here....I like a push, He either has nothing and will fold no matter what, or he has a bit of something and feels that your bluffing him out of his seat and wants to look you up. Or the safe route would be reraise to $30.
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    I tend to agree with open pushing the river...looks like a bluff and there's a good nuff chance that he would call it.
    I was just kinda 'goofin' with this hand and didn't expect to actually hit lol so I played it like shit when I did...woops!

    Thx for the comments all.

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