Quote Originally Posted by yeardley
You know, I didn't want to comment on the river play too much for a lot of reasons.
Funny, I think it's the only interesting part of this hand at all.

Quote Originally Posted by yeardley
First, to some extent it's a matter of style. Betting again on the river in these situations will add some extra variance to your bankroll...maybe it's something that will work for you and maybe not.
I don't make more sets than anyone else, yet I win a lot more. Maybe it's because I find extra bets with the best hand? What does style have to do with finding some extra value?

To throw in a random reference, Brunson talks about this sort of bet in Super System. It stuck out to me as a limit "bet da riva" kinda guy, but is probably often over-looked.

Quote Originally Posted by yeardley
You would need to be good at picking the right spots and the opps to do it against.
Ummm.... yeah. Reading players + hands helps too. Many of the posters here don't talk about that much. When I came back to NLHE after the party split, this took me some time to figure out. The night playing with Okie and some other stuff made it clear why you can beat these games for lunch money on auto-pilot. But I digress...

Quote Originally Posted by yeardley
I see no point in making a bet you can 'get away from' ($4 in your example) because it's bad business.
Is there really much difference between bet/folding the river and raise/folding the flop (or whatever) to "see where you're at". Laying down when you're probably beat is just part of playing poker. I play poker better than my opponents, so I'm inclined to play more streets.

Quote Originally Posted by yeardley
Let's not forget there are (a couple) other hands, slowplayed, or really stupidly played (in case of 99) that still beat you besides a flush.
...and a whole lot of hands you had destroyed on every post-flop street. You've yet to make a good argument for not having value here. No hand ranges with equity, etc. The only one that's close is he's unknown, but nothing about an unknown $25 NL player in the games I've played in makes me not want to go for extra value.