How Big Does A Draw Have To Be?

Originally Posted by EasyT

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by EasyT

How bad is this all-in call? Good/Fair/Bad/Rediculous.

I think the min-raise on the flop was ridiculous. If you are going to raise this hand, raise it harder- it's unlikely that your opponent is going to fold to a min-raise here. And it's not like you are trying to build the pot with a monster by min-raising here (not that I recommend doing that). If you raise harder and he still comes over the top, then you are probably going to have to call that. As it was played, I think the call was ok. In this situation though you are trying to get your money in first, which is another reason you want to raise harder here if that is what you are going to do.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. I want to try to take control of this hand cheaply. It didn't work here because of his holdings, but this works ALL THE TIME at NL50/NL100. They'll call and then check to you 40% of the time on the turn and you can bet hard or take a free card, depending.

I almost never flat-call a draw. Usually I fold them, but if not, a small raise disguises your hand, eliminates the riff-raff, and gets you information about how much someone likes his hand. This draw was good enough for the raise here.

I just didn't listen to the information I got in response.

Which is my question: How BAD a call is this? I know it's not a GOOD call. So far it seems like there's differing opinions. I was sorta looking for some math genius to figure out how many times/100 I win this confrontation.

If it helps, my opponent has an overpair, and not a set. All my outs are clean.

EasyT

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you again. If you are going to raise here (which I think you most definately should), you want to accomplish one of two things.

1. You want a fold.
2. If they do call, and you hit your flush or straight, you want to be able to take their stack.

You can add to this that betting your draws strongly will help your monsters get paid off later on.

Anyway, min-raising does not accomplish either of those 2 (3) things. Your opponent is not going to fold to a min-raise, and you are not committing them to the pot to be able to take their stack if they hit.

I also disagree with this: "Which is my question: How BAD a call is this? I know it's not a GOOD call. "

It was a good call. It is most definately +EV. HOWEVER, I don't agree with how the hand was played up until that point. You would be in a better position if:
1. Your opponent folds.
2. Your opponent smooth calls. Your entire stack doesn't end up in the middle this way if you miss.

If your opponent comes over the top and puts you allin, you are in the same situation, but just because your opponent reraised you allin when you min-raised, does not mean he would do the same thing had you showed more strength on the flop.