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 Originally Posted by Pythonic
well if your going to look at it that way (wrong way...) you would have saved more money by playing the previous streets right.
And if villian has KK or 7/8 how does that save me money?
Villian has KK, you reraise the flop, he pushes, you call, your pot equity rules.
Villian has AQ, you reraise the flop, he folds, you at least win the pot.
Villian has KQ/AK for two overs and up and down, or two overs, you reraise the flop, he folds or calls, and you're either going to get a check/fold or a lead-call on your reraise on the turn. Again, your pot equity rules.
If Villian has 7/8 he's drawing dead on the turn :P
All the advice you've received in this post about this hand being played badly is 100% accurate. The only time it's correct to slowplay a set on a drawy board like this is if the Villian is totally aggro and is likely to pot the turn with an open ender and overcards if he misses. Why the hell would you want to give him odds on the flop to draw if he's up and down, or how about giving an overpair the oppurtunity to hit a two out set on the turn (since his openning bet is already in the pot, your flat call is giving him a free card). TT or 77 to hit a 1 outter for quads. Giving free cards by calling when you hit top set is universally stupid. You might have made a great laydown given the circumstances when you were asked to call that $5 on the river, but the point is if you had played the hand properly you would've either won a small pot right away, won a huge pot, or lost a huge pot when you got a good chunk of your stack in with great equity. If you 3bet preflop you make villian define his hand, if he folds you take it down right there (this is a great play with JJ, as you are almost always behind if Villian shoves and has a PFR% of < 8%, Side Question to the populus: How high does Villian's PFR% have to be in order for calling a shove over your 3bet to be +EV??). Either way poor play in this hand DEFINITELY cost you money, it's inarguable. Sometimes it's better to increase your chances of winning by decreasing your chances of losing. It is almost always 100% incorrect to sacrifice favorable betting oppurtunities to try to make more money on later streets. Becuase while you might be increasing the total amount you'll win if you do (through deception), you're drastically increasing the liklihood that you'll lose the pot. All in all, you gave the guy 2 free cards after you flopped top set. Weak play, period. Don't play scared.
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