How do u play the retards ???

Lately ive been getting burned bigtime by retards.

My problem is high pairs, aa kk and qq.

I simply do not know how to play em, heres some examples.

Its all 50$ nolimit full ring on bodog btw.

Hand 1:

UTG raises to 2$, I sit next and reraises to 6$ with KK, guy left to me calls, and the rest of the table folds. This leaves us with a 15$ pot, he got 45 left and I got him covered. board is 3 rags, two of wich is diamonds. I raise 5$ he calls. turn is a rag, I raise 10$ he calls. river is a diamond. pot is 45 there, with each of us having 30 left. I have him on a lower pp, like ts or something. So bet 10 he allins and I call, he flips over j7 of ds.

Now I know hes a loser just for playing that hand for a 12 bb raise, but that besides the point, what I would like to know is what I coulda done different ?? If I bet the streets any weaker im just asking him to draw on me, and by the time he hits, im comittet anyway. Of and if I bet harder, see below for result.

Heres another hand:

Hand 2:

middle pos raises to 2$ I reraise to 10$ with AA, having both 50$stacks preflop this dosnt give small pairs odds to call. He does anyway. Flop comes J48 rainbow, pot is 20$, he bet 5 I reraise to 15 he calls. turns a rag, he checks I bet 10 he all ins and I have to call that for my last 15. He flips over JJ.

What did I do wrong there ??


So basicly me question is, how do u guys play ur big pairs ?? down at these limits ppl play like shit, so in both example they could just as well have had an tptk or an overpair, so If I check they will bet into me forcing me to commit anyway.

I see two solutions, first, just to bet half ur stack preflop with aa or kk and all in on flop nomatter what. Im sure that would be profitable down at these lvls ,but its prolly no good up higher. Or just start playing em like theyr 55 or 22, small raise, see a cheap flop, and proceed with caution.


How do u do ??

Hand 1: Bet the pot on flop and push on turn.
Hand 2: You can't do anything here, he just outflopped you. Without a very good read you aren't getting away from this.

With big pairs in that game you need to get as much money in the pot preflop as you can. Don't let anyone see cards for cheap, bet the pot and get all your chips in on the turn if you can. You'll be suprised how many people will call with a worse hand. Be mindful of the board of course when you are pushing hard.

1st hand, with two callers you need to bet the pot on the flop and turn. If you think the guys a calling station, you may even add 20% to the bet. If he draws out on you, he wins, but most of the time you will beat him by betting more.

2nd hand he hit his set and there's nothing you can do about it other than slow it down on the latter streets. Once you see him calling your large bets you have to assume he has a hand, especially when he leads off the flop betting. When he raises to all-in on the turn, you have to consider folding that unless he is prone to heavily bluffing the turn. Look at it this way: he called a $10 bet on an 8:1 shot and got paid $50. You actually came out ahead there.

Hand 1: put a proper bet on the flop. You do know that *you're* being the retard here, right? You're giving him odds to continue with his flush draw. Your bet after the turn is similarly limp - implied odds give him an incentive to call your bet. If you overbet on either street he should fold, and if he doesn't, yeah, you'll still lose, but in the long term you'll win.

Thanks for all the responces!!

There seems to be a general tendency towards betting harder than I do, the thing is though, that if I do bet 2/3-100% of the pot on the flop in hand one, and then do a major bet on the turn as suggestet, im chasing out the draws wich is great, but Ill pay sets off bigtime everytime, and since he did have correct odds for calling preflop if he had a low pp looking for a set in hand 1, I cant belive thats the right way to play it. Or what ??

Do u just take the set beats like a man ?? Or what ??

Don’t complain about these players, they are the same ones paying you off in other hands. You just have to get used to paying off sets. Hehe. Well, in a perfect world you would detect he has a set and fold but I haven’t gotten there yet. Sets will make you money the same way; it will at least balance out.

hehe, last night I payed off a straight when I held AK. He called my PFR of 5xBB from UTG with 46o. The board at the river was all 2s, 3s, and 5s. I kept betting because I couldn’t believe he would call with such sucky holdings. Se la vi.

Okay so this is how im gonna do it, :

1: Get at least 10% of my stack in preflop with AA or KK,
2: Any draw I bet the pot every street then slow down on river.
3: If no draw I bet pot on flop then slow down. Watching out for sets.

Right ? Sounds pretty ok to me. oh and

4: if I somehow manage to get more than 25% of my stack in preflop I push the flop/turn no matter what with AA.

They only make sets like 11-12% of the time with a pocket pair so sure you may pay some of them off but over the long run betting the pot on flop and turn are +EV plays. You will clean up most of the time.

So hows this ?

UTG raise to 2, utg+1 call, I reraise on button to 10 with KK, utg call, utg+1 folds. Pot is 12, flop is 567 rainbow, utg got 30 left, I got him covered, he checks I all in. He folds.

Too agressive or fine ?

Originally Posted by Kiriath

Okay so this is how im gonna do it, :

1: Get at least 10% of my stack in preflop with AA or KK,
2: Any draw I bet the pot every street then slow down on river.
3: If no draw I bet pot on flop then slow down. Watching out for sets.

Right ? Sounds pretty ok to me. oh and

4: if I somehow manage to get more than 25% of my stack in preflop I push the flop/turn no matter what with AA.

For a long time I resisted using a higher PFR with AA, KK. I hated the idea that I was tipping my hand that I held AA or KK. But once I started using a higher than normal PFR the % of times I can get AI PF went way up and that is VERY +EV. People will call with 77, AQ, AK, and such. All of which are beaten (most of the time) by AA, KK.

Originally Posted by EricE

Originally Posted by Kiriath

Okay so this is how im gonna do it, :

1: Get at least 10% of my stack in preflop with AA or KK,
2: Any draw I bet the pot every street then slow down on river.
3: If no draw I bet pot on flop then slow down. Watching out for sets.

Right ? Sounds pretty ok to me. oh and

4: if I somehow manage to get more than 25% of my stack in preflop I push the flop/turn no matter what with AA.

For a long time I resisted using a higher PFR with AA, KK. I hated the idea that I was tipping my hand that I held AA or KK. But once I started using a higher than normal PFR the % of times I can get AI PF went way up and that is VERY +EV. People will call with 77, AQ, AK, and such. All of which are beaten (most of the time) by AA, KK.

Ya Im one of those using same standard preflop raise for all hands, except when limpers/raisers in front. Im gonna do what ur doing for a while and see how it pans out.

Heres another KK hand:

I raise to 3$ utg with KK, ya I know shoulda raise 10% of stack but I want SOME action lol =) utg+1 calls, rest folds, flop comes qt5 rainbow, pot is 7$ he got 30 left I got him covered, I bet 5$ he raises to 10$ I reraise him all in he folds. Hard to belive he called preflop with QT, and ppl usually dont play sets that way.

Hows that ?

On your last hand, he sounds like he had JJ and wanted to be 100% sure you had him beat. $3 UTG with KK sounds about right. $5 on the flop looks good. The minraise would worry me, so I would probably call from that point on and look for a cheap finish. The all-in is a risky but effective way to end a hand, though: you probably have the best hand and you do get SOME better hands to fold SOME of the time - you also get SOME weaker hands to call SOME of the time.

Everyone wants to play against someone who is straight forward and under-bets their hand...

Originally Posted by Fnord

Everyone wants to play against someone who is straight forward and under-bets their hand...

now THAT is some great piece of advise!