How would you proceed

$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, January 13, 09:16:25 EDT 2006
Table Table 65193 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: gaosu ( $4.65 )
Seat 2: Acolyte1 ( $27.40 )
Seat 3: henrien ( $11.75 )
Seat 4: Tiffany82311 ( $28.50 )
Seat 5: Stubbsy2005 ( $34.80 )
Seat 6: hummuna ( $27.10 )
Seat 7: lquidmusic ( $38.70 )
Seat 8: moomama4 ( $26.15 )
Seat 9: XAAAX1 ( $10.91 )
Seat 10: AAkekAA ( $34.40 )
lquidmusic posts small blind [$0.10].
moomama4 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt toStubbsy2005 [ Ks Kh ]
>You have options at Table 69202 Table!.
XAAAX1 folds.
AAkekAA folds.
gaosu folds.
Acolyte1 folds.
>You have options at Table 69202 Table!.
henrien folds.
Tiffany82311 calls [$0.25].
stubbsy2005 raises [$1].
hummuna folds.
lquidmusic folds.
moomama4 calls [$0.75].
Tiffany82311 raises [$4.75].
>You have options at Table 69202 Table!.
penpoll42 calls [$4].
moomama4 calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Tc, Kc ]

How would you proceed from here!

Lukie if you have nothing positive to try and contribute then don't as can't be stuffed being put down by you. May not be a great player but trying to learn and don't need your shit. If you have a valid negative point then happy to hear it, just don't want replys that effectively say that I am shit, or my play is shit (most of the time i know when i have majorly stuffed up). Will post one way or another after some thoughts on hand.

Thanks

Stubbsy

It's important to note how Tiffany acts on the flop before really commenting on this hand. If she just checks then you have to lead the flop. I'm losing my stack to a flopped flush here or sucking out to a FH. If she leads it's not unlikely that she has AA with the A of clubs in her hand. Your choice of whether to call or reraise. She's not likely to lay that down to a reraise so you do have the option to just call and see the turn to allow the other player to put more money into the pot when it is most likely that you have the best hand here. It's easy enough to just push this flop as well as you are not likely to get away from this hand given the pot size, stacks behind all players involved and your holdings.

...figure out a way to get all the money into the center of the pot.

just push preflop imo

I agree with the above two. KK coming up against AA doesn't come up often enough for a push (preflop or postflop) not to be profitable longterm....and if they flopped a flush, gg nh.

Once you have to call the $4.75, its time to raise it up huge or AI. You have not isolated enough, do it. That alone would have saved you any headache on this flop. If you have at least half your stack in on the flop and up against 1 or 2 opponents you can push with confidence.

Lukie if you have nothing positive to try and contribute then don't as can't be stuffed being put down by you. May not be a great player but trying to learn and don't need your shit. If you have a valid negative point then happy to hear it, just don't want replys that effectively say that I am shit, or my play is shit (most of the time i know when i have majorly stuffed up). Will post one way or another after some thoughts on hand.

(A sincere question)

Have I ever given you shit or 'effectively' said that you are shit?

If I have, could you be so kind as to provide me a link to where I did?

To be perfectly honest, I don't remember ever even critiquing any of your hands. If I was and was a bit rough about doing so, I apologize, the only reason I ever have for doing that is I have known too many horrible players that have pissed away a LOT of money gambling and I hate to see that kind of stuff from anyone, even people I don't know.

In any case, you have your wish, from this point on I will permanently stay out of your threads.

bahahahahahaha.... for once I'm not the meanie!

Originally Posted by Fnord

bahahahahahaha.... for once I'm not the meanie!

hahah.. I was actually gonna say something like, 'goddamn this must be how Fnord feels...'

jk, I think anyone with half a brain takes your advice to heart.

Push post-flop.

You are putting the pressure on anyone with a raggy flush like 56c or QJc. They may lay down a weaker flush. Only hand to worry about is AQc for the nut flush. So moving in will pressure the made hand.

If you do get a call you have a solid redraw to a FH to bust the flush.

If you just bet pot or less on flop you are essentially committing more thatn 1/2 your stack and not puting the same pressure on you opponent.

If you bet anything less than pot or more you are inviting the draws to come along.

The way the pre-flop action went you have to think that the set of K's is best and pot is plenty big such that you don't have to get cute. If your opponents are calling $4 pre-flop raises with AQc you are at a good table.The biggest worry is someone with AcA or maybe they caught a set of 10's with the 10c and suck out on you with a 4th club on board.

Overall, your post flop hand strength and chip position would justify an all in but by no means do you have an absolute "lock" on this hand.

Originally Posted by SteveO

They may lay down a weaker flush.

I wouldn't even count on a flush draw folding. This morning I hammered someone with a TURN c/r over-bet all-in and still got called by the Axs flush draw. If the donks won't fold, then give them a nice big fat bet to call and let them have their gamb00ling fix!

NEVER under-estimate anyone's capacity to make a truely terrible call.

or maybe they caught a set of 10's with the 10c and suck out on you with a 4th club on board.

damn 53 card decks!

NEVER under-estimate anyone's capacity to make a truely terrible call.

amen to that.

And this is why, if they happen to suck out on you, you simply say 'nice hand sir' and move on. This is where a lot (majority?) of your money from poker comes from.