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 Originally Posted by jackvance
Seriously though, I don't think I'd lead with a real monster, but with plenty of strong but vulnerable hands, such as 2p or overpair. It's also a metagame thing, raising me on the flop is no guaranteed free river.
Heh, you knew what I meant. But anyway, this is the point I am trying to get at. It seems like a lot of people on FTR like to use this call flop, and bet/fold turn line with good but not great hands that can't stand the heat. If you almost never call a flop raise with a monster and lead the turn, this is an absolute metagame disaster. A good aware opponent will pick up on this and jam the turn everytime he sees you use this line. Now at lower limits it's probably not much of an issue (metagame part), but trust me, as you move up where the players get better, you need to switch it up to not be predictable.
So what I would recommend is to in fact take this line with monsters, and even if the board is somewhat draw heavy, don't be afraid to use it, because if your opponent is v aggro, and you lead the turn, he might think exactly what I typed above and try to blast you off your hand. In the past month or so I've started to use this line w/monsters and it has worked pretty well.
Here are some hands to illustrate. First hand the money prob would've gone in on the turn, but he is a regular, so it's great for metagame that he knows I am capable of taking this line w/the nuts. Granted in the 2nd hand villian was an idiot, but had I pushed this flop, he would've no doubt folded. Instead I lead the turn, and he figures I'm weak, so he tries to blast me off.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($813)
Button ($730.30)
Hero ($420.40)
BB ($430.60)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , 9.
2 folds, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $32.
Flop: ($96) Q, A, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $72, Hero calls $72.
Turn: ($240) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $120, BB raises to $310.6, Hero calls $180.40 (All-In).
River: ($851) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $851
Results in white below:
Hero has Kd 9d (flush, ace high).
BB has Qc As (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $840.80. BB wins $10.20.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($400)
Button ($1001.85)
SB ($386)
BB ($411)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9.
Hero raises to $16, Button raises to $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $12.
Flop: ($62) 9 , 6, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $24, Hero raises to $64, Button raises to $104, Hero calls $40.
Turn: ($270) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $72, Button raises to $236, Hero raises to $268, Button calls $32.
River: ($806) 4 (2 players)
Final Pot: $806
Results in white below:
Hero has 9c 9d (three of a kind, nines).
Button has Jd Qh (high card, queen).
Outcome: Hero wins $806.
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I DONT think i should stop, this was just a bad hand
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