I'm not a teacher, but I think there is a lesson to be

I'm not a teacher, but I think there is a lesson to be learned here.
This guy hung himself by playing so passivley a hand which should have been the best.

I put him on a Kx right away, so I tried to bet enough to get him to lay it down to my better King. Since he didn't re-raise me pre-flop I at least knew he didn't have AK, the only one he probably wouldn't lay down.

To my suprise and relief He was stupid enough to play AK this way, and ended up screwing himself.

***** Hand History for Game 2574348778 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 21, 18:49:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 36917 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: eightsinhole ( $40.25 )
Seat 2: unreal15 ( $24.20 )
Seat 3: crowsfan3131 ( $0 )
Seat 4: van80 ( $35.35 )
Seat 5: KAC_Cake ( $24.75 )
Seat 6: Scruffy1951 ( $24.75 )
Seat 7: skeelosD ( $32.94 )
Seat 8: Multiphowl ( $24.40 )
Seat 9: NitzEB ( $25.65 )
Seat 10: Bad_Company_ ( $23.90 )
van80 posts small blind [$0.10].
KAC_Cake posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bad_Company_ [ Qd Qc ]
Scruffy1951 calls [$0.25].
skeelosD folds.
Multiphowl folds.
NitzEB folds.
crowsfan3131 has left the table.
Bad_Company_ raises [$1].
eightsinhole folds.
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
Chefbooyah3 has joined the table.
unreal15 folds.
van80 calls [$0.90].
KAC_Cake folds.
Scruffy1951 calls [$0.75].
>You have options at Table 37347 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 2h, Kd ]
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
van80 checks.
>You have options at Table 37347 Table!.
Scruffy1951 bets [$0.75].
>You have options at Table 37347 Table!.
Bad_Company_ raises [$3].
van80 calls [$3].
Scruffy1951 calls [$2.25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
van80 checks.
Scruffy1951 checks.
>You have options at Table 37347 Table!.
Bad_Company_ bets [$8].
van80 folds.
Scruffy1951 calls [$8].
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
Scruffy1951 checks.
>You have options at Table 37048 Table!.
>You have options at Table 37089 Table!.
Bad_Company_ bets [$6].
Scruffy1951 calls [$6].
Bad_Company_ shows [ Qd, Qc ] a straight, nine to king.
Scruffy1951 doesn't show [ Kc, As ] a pair of kings.
Bad_Company_ wins $38.25 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.
>You have options at Table 37347 Table!.

Trying to force $25 NL players to fold their top pair will lose you money. Please bet more on the river, he called an $8 bet on the turn I am sure he would have called a $15-$20 bet on the river.

I really didn't think he was that strong.

I either thought he was on some funky draw, or was on a weak weak King.

Without a queen in his hand I figured he would be scared to call much more.

Originally Posted by Surf_Thug

Without a queen in his hand I figured he would be scared to call much more.

He's not putting you on a straight here. You were hammering the pot long before that came out. He would have called more.

If you bet 15 instead of 6 on the river, you only need him to call 40% as often as he would call 6 to get more value.

If you bet 18 instead of 6, you only need him to call 33% as often to get more value.

I think if he's calling 6$, he's calling 15$ at least 2/5 times. 18$ maybe a little too pricey.

These fishies at low limit barely lay down TPTK for anything less than their stack on a 4 suited board with 4 consecutive cards...

Good point.

Since were on the subject..

What is a normal value bet at this limit for you guys? 1/2 the pot, full pot. overbet the pot?


I just usually bet what I think will get called based on what I believe they have, but maybe I would be better off over-betting and just getting a few less calls.

Anythoughts on this?