I'm really trying to get more aggressive...

So hows this?

Seat 2 is a weak passive calling station, but he folds. Seat 1 is a fairly good (good in the sense of 25NL players, not FTR players) player, hasn't tried to get in my way yet. Seat 3 seems to play most pots, so I'm guessing loose weak.

PokerStars Game #2666265948: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/26 - 16:33:50 (ET)
Table 'Scylla II' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: honest og ($20.85 in chips)
Seat 2: dan1451 ($3.85 in chips)
Seat 3: dahick ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 4: edudlive ($30.20 in chips)
Seat 5: *EverSole* ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 6: wilent ($10 in chips)
dahick: posts small blind $0.10
edudlive: posts big blind $0.25
wilent: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [As Qc]
*EverSole*: calls $0.25
wilent: checks
honest og: calls $0.25
dan1451: folds
dahick: calls $0.15
edudlive: raises $0.75 to $1 <--attempt at showing strength, this is my standard PFR
*EverSole*: folds
wilent: folds
honest og: calls $0.75 <- the suspected loose weak and seemingly decent player call
dahick: calls $0.75 <--
*** FLOP *** [4c 2c Ts] <--the flop comes rags, and the only hand they've seen me show down is trip Ts (raised preflop, and bet a similiar flop) and judging from the mucks of other hands, these guys are willing to call PFR with things like Q7 or K5 so it probably missed them too
dahick: bets $0.75 <-- the pot is probably almost $4 at this point and he bets 75c, he's weak
edudlive: raises $1.50 to $2.25 <--2nd show of strength (closer to a 2/3rdish pot bet)
honest og: folds <--he's waiting for his chance against me
dahick: calls $1.50 <-- uh oh
*** TURN *** [4c 2c Ts] [7d]
dahick: checks <--hah! call/check..he's either got shit or a monster...
edudlive: bets $3.25 <--I don't think its a monster
dahick: folds <--guess I was right
edudlive collected $7.65 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8 | Rake $0.35
Board [4c 2c Ts 7d]
Seat 1: honest og folded on the Flop
Seat 2: dan1451 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dahick (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: edudlive (big blind) collected ($7.65)
Seat 5: *EverSole* folded before Flop
Seat 6: wilent folded before Flop

Well thought out, nh.

Nice Hand, you fired bullets the entire hand and he finally bailed. Perfect example of a continuatioin bluff. Keep firing those bullets and eventually they'll bail or show you they have you beat.

You're living the dream already my friend..

Here is another one, Muxxy sat at my table int he spot of the loose weak guy and we gave his guy hell, he'd bluff every pot and we'd fire more bullets and he'd let go

Every hand he'd minraise and bet 25 or 50 on the flop. In the aftermath of this one, I'm thinking I should have led out with a smaller turn bet when I hit my gutshot (I was betting no matter what though)

PokerStars Game #2666568546: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/26 - 17:16:14 (ET)
Table 'Scylla II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: bigdog1878 ($17.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Muxxxy ($31.10 in chips)
Seat 4: edudlive ($37.65 in chips)
Seat 5: sherrman48 ($6.35 in chips)
sherrman48: posts small blind $0.10
bigdog1878: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [6c 9h]
Muxxxy: folds
edudlive: calls $0.25
sherrman48: raises $0.25 to $0.50
bigdog1878 said, "who?"
bigdog1878: calls $0.25
edudlive said, "mike jones"
edudlive: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8s 5d Tc]
sherrman48: bets $0.25
bigdog1878: folds
edudlive: raises $1 to $1.25
sherrman48: calls $1
*** TURN *** [8s 5d Tc] [7s]
Muxxxy leaves the table
sherrman48: checks
edudlive: bets $5 <--his stack was like $4.70, thats why I bet this amount
sherrman48: folds
edudlive collected $3.85 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4 | Rake $0.15
Board [8s 5d Tc 7s]
Seat 1: bigdog1878 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Muxxxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: edudlive (button) collected ($3.85)
Seat 5: sherrman48 (small blind) folded on the Turn

Originally Posted by edudlive

Here is another one, Muxxy sat at my table int he spot of the loose weak guy and we gave his guy hell, he'd bluff every pot and we'd fire more bullets and he'd let go
Muxxxy leaves the table

Heh i know wher to spot the fish. Yeah he was very loose passive, call any preflop raise and ride it to the river if he caught any of it.


Good player and he is now buddy listed

Ok, but why are you limping in early position with 6-9 offsuit? It seems best to raise or fold.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Ok, but why are you limping in early position with 6-9 offsuit? It seems best to raise or fold.

I was going to say the same thing.

How is that being aggressive?

69o is my favorite hand, thats why I limped it, I did later raise with it when I got it again

preflop play at these tables means little, so raising here probably wouldn't do much good anyway. The argument could also be made that I knew the next guy to act would minraise, so I'd just leave him to his own devices there and focus post-flop

I still need a lot of tips regardless this semi-laggy play type system (I did this a lot more with worse hands than AQo)

I used to have favorite hands that were bad that I would play.
Untill I lost a bunch of money catching 2nd best hand.
Now I realized its not that smart to play with any superstition. Stick to the suited connectors if you wanna play low cards i think

Who? Mike Jones! Who? Mike Jones! Who? Mike Jones!

Originally Posted by Surf_Thug

Who? Mike Jones! Who? Mike Jones! Who? Mike Jones!

281-330-8004 hit mike jones up on the low cause mike jones about to blow

more examples (im not going to explain these a whole lot)

PokerStars Game #2673915008: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:42:49 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 4: x856 ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 6: horndashm ($10 in chips)
x856: posts small blind $0.10
fierro1945: posts big blind $0.25
horndashm: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [Jd Qc]
horndashm: checks
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $0.75 to $1
CapBackSlap: folds
x856: calls $0.90
fierro1945: calls $0.75
horndashm: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Qh 9s 7d]
x856: checks
fierro1945: checks
horndashm: checks
edudlive: bets $2.75
x856: folds
fierro1945: folds
horndashm: calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [Qh 9s 7d] [9d]
horndashm: checks
edudlive: bets $3.40 and is all-in
horndashm: calls $3.40
*** RIVER *** [Qh 9s 7d 9d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
horndashm: shows [Ts Kh] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
edudlive: shows [Jd Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
edudlive collected $15.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.30 | Rake $0.75
Board [Qh 9s 7d 9d Qs]
Seat 1: TennMoney folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: edudlive showed [Jd Qc] and won ($15.55) with a full house, Queens full of Nines
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: x856 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: horndashm showed [Ts Kh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines

PokerStars Game #2673931091: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:45:22 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($15.55 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 4: x856 ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($32.40 in chips)
svtnmtn will be allowed to play after the button
TennMoney: posts small blind $0.10
edudlive: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [7s 9s]
CapBackSlap: folds
x856: calls $0.25
fierro1945: raises $1 to $1.25
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: calls $1
x856: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Js 9h Jd]
edudlive: checks
x856: checks
fierro1945: bets $1
edudlive: raises $2 to $3
x856: calls $3
fierro1945: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 9h Jd] [5s]
edudlive: bets $11.30 and is all-in
x856: calls $5.55 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Js 9h Jd 5s] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
edudlive: shows [7s 9s] (a flush, Jack high)
x856: mucks hand
edudlive collected $20.90 from pot
x856 leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.95 | Rake $1.05
Board [Js 9h Jd 5s Ts]
Seat 1: TennMoney (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: edudlive (big blind) showed [7s 9s] and won ($20.90) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 3: CapBackSlap folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: x856 mucked [Ac 3c]
Seat 5: fierro1945 (button) folded on the Flop

PokerStars Game #2673936757: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:46:15 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.40 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($5.95 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($30.15 in chips)
Seat 6: svtnmtn ($10 in chips)
edudlive: posts small blind $0.10
CapBackSlap: posts big blind $0.25
svtnmtn: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [Kh Ah]
fierro1945: calls $0.25
svtnmtn: checks
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $0.75 to $1
CapBackSlap: calls $0.75
fierro1945: folds
svtnmtn: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [3c Kc 4c]
Out Of Money joins the table at seat #4
edudlive: bets $2.75
CapBackSlap: folds
svtnmtn: folds
edudlive collected $3.10 from pot
edudlive: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Kings)
edudlive is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.25 | Rake $0.15
Board [3c Kc 4c]
Seat 1: TennMoney (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: edudlive (small blind) collected ($3.10)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 folded before Flop
Seat 6: svtnmtn folded on the Flop

PokerStars Game #2673957440: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:49:31 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 6: svtnmtn ($11.10 in chips)
edudlive: posts small blind $0.10
CapBackSlap: posts big blind $0.25
Out Of Money: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [3s 3c]
fierro1945: calls $0.25
svtnmtn: calls $0.25
TennMoney: calls $0.25
edudlive: calls $0.15
CapBackSlap: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs 3h]
edudlive: checks
CapBackSlap: checks
fierro1945: bets $0.75
svtnmtn: calls $0.75
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $1.25 to $2
CapBackSlap: folds
fierro1945: calls $1.25
svtnmtn: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4h Qs 3h] [8s]
edudlive: bets $26.25 and is all-in
fierro1945: folds
edudlive said, "mine mine mine"
svtnmtn: folds
edudlive collected $6.90 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.25 | Rake $0.35
Board [4h Qs 3h 8s]
Seat 1: TennMoney (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: edudlive (small blind) collected ($6.90)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: svtnmtn folded on the Turn

I wanted to slowplay the set, but two flush draws and probably a straight draw

Originally Posted by edudlive

I wanted to slowplay the set, but two flush draws and probably a straight draw

Well, you want to be aggressive, but you don't want to bet your real hands? That creates a pretty obvious pattern in your play.

Part of the benefit of this style is that players will overvalue their hands when you're showing strength. Why not take advantage of this?

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Originally Posted by edudlive

I wanted to slowplay the set, but two flush draws and probably a straight draw

Well, you want to be aggressive, but you don't want to bet your real hands? That creates a pretty obvious pattern in your play.

Part of the benefit of this style is that players will overvalue their hands when you're showing strength. Why not take advantage of this?

By 'slowplay' in this sense I meant bet hard (such as they might overvalue that K) but I was too worried about the draws so I dropped the hammer

Did you profit this session??


PokerStars Game #2673957440: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:49:31 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 6: svtnmtn ($11.10 in chips)
edudlive: posts small blind $0.10
CapBackSlap: posts big blind $0.25
Out Of Money: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [3s 3c]
fierro1945: calls $0.25
svtnmtn: calls $0.25
TennMoney: calls $0.25
edudlive: calls $0.15
CapBackSlap: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs 3h]
edudlive: checks
CapBackSlap: checks
fierro1945: bets $0.75
svtnmtn: calls $0.75
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $1.25 to $2
CapBackSlap: folds
fierro1945: calls $1.25
svtnmtn: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4h Qs 3h] [8s]
edudlive: bets $26.25 and is all-in
fierro1945: folds
edudlive said, "mine mine mine"
svtnmtn: folds
edudlive collected $6.90 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.25 | Rake $0.35
Board [4h Qs 3h 8s]
Seat 1: TennMoney (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: edudlive (small blind) collected ($6.90)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: svtnmtn folded on the Turn

You wasted this.
edudlive said, "mine mine mine"
So what if it's yours? You're not playing to win pots, you're playing to win money so don't get so excited about this pot.

Originally Posted by edudlive

PokerStars Game #2673957440: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:49:31 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 6: svtnmtn ($11.10 in chips)
edudlive: posts small blind $0.10
CapBackSlap: posts big blind $0.25
Out Of Money: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [3s 3c]
fierro1945: calls $0.25
svtnmtn: calls $0.25
TennMoney: calls $0.25
edudlive: calls $0.15
CapBackSlap: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs 3h]
edudlive: checks
CapBackSlap: checks
fierro1945: bets $0.75
svtnmtn: calls $0.75
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $1.25 to $2
CapBackSlap: folds
fierro1945: calls $1.25
svtnmtn: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4h Qs 3h] [8s]
edudlive: bets $26.25 and is all-in
fierro1945: folds
edudlive said, "mine mine mine"
svtnmtn: folds
edudlive collected $6.90 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.25 | Rake $0.35
Board [4h Qs 3h 8s]
Seat 1: TennMoney (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: edudlive (small blind) collected ($6.90)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: svtnmtn folded on the Turn

I wanted to slowplay the set, but two flush draws and probably a straight draw

You saw the flop 5-way on this hand and flopped bottom set. There is a suited connector on the board, i'm potting this flop every time. I think checking this is a terrible idea since if it gets checked all the way around 1 out of the other 4 players will probably hit their gut draw which they saw for free. I pot the flop and push the turn.

Originally Posted by bair

Originally Posted by edudlive

PokerStars Game #2673957440: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/09/27 - 16:49:31 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: TennMoney ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: edudlive ($28.50 in chips)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 5: fierro1945 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 6: svtnmtn ($11.10 in chips)
edudlive: posts small blind $0.10
CapBackSlap: posts big blind $0.25
Out Of Money: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [3s 3c]
fierro1945: calls $0.25
svtnmtn: calls $0.25
TennMoney: calls $0.25
edudlive: calls $0.15
CapBackSlap: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Qs 3h]
edudlive: checks
CapBackSlap: checks
fierro1945: bets $0.75
svtnmtn: calls $0.75
TennMoney: folds
edudlive: raises $1.25 to $2
CapBackSlap: folds
fierro1945: calls $1.25
svtnmtn: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4h Qs 3h] [8s]
edudlive: bets $26.25 and is all-in
fierro1945: folds
edudlive said, "mine mine mine"
svtnmtn: folds
edudlive collected $6.90 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.25 | Rake $0.35
Board [4h Qs 3h 8s]
Seat 1: TennMoney (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: edudlive (small blind) collected ($6.90)
Seat 3: CapBackSlap (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: fierro1945 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: svtnmtn folded on the Turn

I wanted to slowplay the set, but two flush draws and probably a straight draw

You saw the flop 5-way on this hand and flopped bottom set. There is a suited connector on the board, i'm potting this flop every time. I think checking this is a terrible idea since if it gets checked all the way around 1 out of the other 4 players will probably hit their gut draw which they saw for free. I pot the flop and push the turn.

Yeah. That's kind of the mistake of attempting a check-raise in a multi-way pot with a hand like this when there's some risk of getting outdrawn. If someone would be willing to bet when checked to in a situation such as this, they almost always have a hand worthy or raising or calling a bet with, and by checking you risk giving a free card. So you gain very little while risking getting outdrawn for free. Another benefit of leading out is that it looks weaker than check-raising.

Originally Posted by edudlive

69o is my favorite hand

heh, me 2! It's my 74o