implied odds...

So I'm starting to add some NL ring to my poker games, as of tonight.

Thought of folding this on the flop. I thought I'd see one more card for the implied odds...

Marko seems to be a semi-aware fish, so I thought I could actually get some $$ out of him too (otherwise, implied odds don't count).

Also note: the importance of not allowing the blinds to see a flop for cheap.

***** Hand History for Game 2024795626 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 09, 21:03:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 36872 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: Marko610 ( $49.87 )
Seat 1: nkperson ( $24.75 )
Seat 6: ogrady71 ( $8.8 )
Seat 10: SlowShark ( $28.6 )
Seat 8: Hose25 ( $8.25 )
Seat 2: rp8289a ( $44.7 )
Seat 3: MASTRR ( $4.55 )
Seat 5: ctrysaf ( $37.1 )
Seat 9: Irish_Coffee ( $25.15 )
Seat 4: LAHayride ( $18.5 )
SlowShark posts small blind [$0.1].
nkperson posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nkperson [ 5s 6d ]
rp8289a folds.
MASTRR folds.
LAHayride folds.
ctrysaf folds.
ogrady71 folds.
Marko610 calls [$0.25].
Hose25 folds.
Irish_Coffee calls [$0.25].
SlowShark folds.
nkperson checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Qc, 8h ]
nkperson checks.
Marko610 bets [$1].
Irish_Coffee folds.
nkperson calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
nkperson bets [$0.3].
Marko610 raises [$4].
nkperson raises [$8.7].
Marko610 raises [$10].
nkperson is all-In [$14.5]
Marko610 calls [$9.5].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
Marko610 shows [ Kh, Kd ] a pair of kings.
nkperson shows [ 5s, 6d ] a straight, four to eight.
nkperson wins $47.4 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.

Also why you should keep your stack nearly topped off at all times. He should have gotten a lot more out of me. As it is, I actually came out of the hand with a profit (due to the other person's bad play ) .

Should I have played flop differently?

***** Hand History for Game 2024867053 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 09, 21:16:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 36872 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: nkperson ( $46.8 )
Seat 6: ogrady71 ( $7.8 )
Seat 10: SlowShark ( $32.85 )
Seat 8: Hose25 ( $5.9 )
Seat 2: rp8289a ( $43.85 )
Seat 3: MASTRR ( $7.7 )
Seat 5: ctrysaf ( $33.2 )
Seat 4: LAHayride ( $14.35 )
Seat 7: Daskal79 ( $29.45 )
Seat 9: rebeka45 ( $24.75 )
MASTRR posts small blind [$0.1].
LAHayride posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nkperson [ Ts Td ]
ctrysaf calls [$0.25].
ogrady71 calls [$0.25].
Daskal79 folds.
Hose25 folds.
rebeka45 calls [$0.25].
SlowShark folds.
nkperson calls [$0.25].
MASTRR raises [$0.9].
LAHayride folds.
ctrysaf folds.
ogrady71 calls [$0.75].
rebeka45 calls [$0.75].
nkperson calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 8h, Jd ]
MASTRR bets [$4].
ogrady71 folds.
rebeka45 calls [$4].
nkperson is all-In [$45.8]
MASTRR is all-In [$2.7]
>You have options at Table 37076 Table!.
rebeka45 is all-In [$19.75]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
MASTRR shows [ Js, Jh ] three of a kind, jacks.
rebeka45 shows [ Ah, 2h ] high card ace.
nkperson shows [ Ts, Td ] three of a kind, tens.
nkperson wins $22.05 from side pot #2 with three of a kind, tens.
nkperson wins $32.4 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, tens.
MASTRR wins $23.4 from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.

i cannot believe how unbelievably badly that guy played his KK in hand 1. what the hell site is this? i want to play there.

hand 2 is just hilarious. thank god for side pots!!

hand 1: that guy is awful, but your flop call is bad, the odds of completing an inside straight draw are poop, your implied odds don't make up for it.

hand 2: i personally wouldn't have just pushed like that, but you were f'd anyway. good thing about the moron with ace 2.

Originally Posted by ChezJ

i cannot believe how unbelievably badly that guy played his KK in hand 1. what the hell site is this? i want to play there.

It's party!

Originally Posted by Greedo017

hand 1: that guy is awful, but your flop call is bad, the odds of completing an inside straight draw are poop, your implied odds don't make up for it.

Why don't I have implied odds? There's no way he'd put me on the straight if I hit, and, judging from his play, I figured I could potentially take his entire stack if he hit two pair or even just TPTK (which he overvalued). Maybe it's too close for the times that he's just bluffing at the pot though, and I get nothing.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

hand 2: i personally wouldn't have just pushed like that, but you were f'd anyway. good thing about the moron with ace 2.

How would you have played it? I agree I don't like the flop push.. but at that point I figured I probably had the best hand, and on the draw-heavy board I didn't want to give any cheap draws to the other player. Maybe just raise to 10?