importance of non all-in hands?

I'm trying to figure out how best to improve my game and my winrate. Especially before moving up to stakes where the $$ may start to affect me

I'm realising more and more that hands that get allin before the river are about races, coolers, and dominating fish (or being the dominated fish ) Here are my results this year for hands that had all the action over before the river... I tend to get it in ok.

My question is: where should I focus my attention to improve my game?
Thoughts?


two things stand out for me
1) online poker probably isn't rigged, I'm running pretty damn close to EV - even when it sometimes feels that all the fish suck out on me, I conveniently forget the times that I hit my outs...
2) that these hands are probably not where I need to focus my attention - Fnord alludes to this a lot when he talks of the importance of non-monster hands

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The non all-in hands are important. Especially when you're NOT going all when beat!

Id think analysis of where you are losing money is more important.
theres a great post for PT2 that i can link you to for analysis of that but you'd have to play with the HM settings to get the same (unless someone already wrote it ofc)

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...45&page=0&vc=1

97/72 over 700 hands and won 12 grand WOW

Those are the hands that went allin and got called, so it's normal VPIP is that high. shouldn't it be 100% though?

For 6 max my blind results and W$WSF are pretty darn important to me.

I also keep an eye on suited connector + one gapper performance from 46s to J9s and A2s-A9s (filtered for VP$IP!!!!) since those hands play an important role in my over-all game plan.

Cold call vs 3-bet of non premiums.

Button opens with non-premiums.

Stuff like that. Big pots handle themselves.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Id think analysis of where you are losing money is more important.
theres a great post for PT2 that i can link you to for analysis of that but you'd have to play with the HM settings to get the same (unless someone already wrote it ofc)

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...45&page=0&vc=1

true, \I haven't looked at that post for a while. I'm keeping PT3 up to date with the hands I'm playing too, but the more I use HEM the less I imagine this is worthwhile....

What fnord said, especially that the big hands take care of themselves.

Also, a lot of the small-ball hands take care of themselves, as well. My biggest leak is probably dealing with small-ball hands (blind steals, 3-betting vs. blind steals) that get called down, where I play a medium-sized pot with/against huge ranges.

I feel comfortable in most 20 bb hands, and in most 80+ bb hands. But I lose my way in 50 bb hands. Those are the hands I filter for and look at.

Good luck moving up, btw.

Originally Posted by Fnord

For 6 max my blind results and W$WSF are pretty darn important to me.

I also keep an eye on suited connector + one gapper performance from 46s to J9s and A2s-A9s (filtered for VP$IP!!!!) since those hands play an important role in my over-all game plan.

Cold call vs 3-bet of non premiums.

Button opens with non-premiums.

Stuff like that. Big pots handle themselves.

question for the oracle:

what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)

Not hitting the flop often enough? (particularly sets)
C-betting too much?
Opening too big?
Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar.

its all important, get better at everything

Originally Posted by Renton

its all important, get better at everything

Oh, so that's what I was doing wrong. I must have been not trying to get better at everything.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

what am i doing wrong fi i feel my biggest leak is how i play 20-40bbs pots (i.e im not winning enough of them)

Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar.

I never thought of this but it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Renton

its all important, get better at everything

true... i'll do my best not to forget this. But, I do like working on only one or two things at a time!

Originally Posted by Fnord

C-betting too much?
Opening too big?
Not counting all of the smaller pots you're taking down. You're going to lose a bigger pot when you get caught with your hand in the cookie-jar.

the first is something I already had to fix.
The second is something I need to think about.
The third is gold - say I semi-bluff to win ten 20bb pots, then lose a 40bb pot when i get called out. I'm ok with that.