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JJ overpair vs min checkraise, paired board

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  1. 07-08-2008 04:02 AM #1
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    Default JJ overpair vs min checkraise, paired board

    Note villain's stacksize.
    Pre-flop is standard.
    Flop, I'm always c-betting here. The check-raise is interesting and my aggro self wants to push.
    Assuming standard and slightly loose ranges of the BB - 22-JJ, SCs, Axs

    I look like an overpair or AK/KQ c-bet. Villain isn't scared, but probably likes his hand with 77+. If I push I look like AA and doubt I get a call from any hands I beat. If I call it's a $58 pot and villain has less than a psb left - meaning I'm getting it in. Folding feels nasty weak. There are a lot of 6s in villain's range given his line. I also have to consider CO...

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    MP1 ($96.25)
    MP2 ($67)
    Hero ($155.80)
    CO ($108)
    Button ($36.50)
    SB ($58)
    BB ($100)
    UTG ($100)
    UTG+1 ($82.45)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, J.
    2 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $4.5, CO calls $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3.50.

    Flop: ($19) 6, 6, 5 (5 players)
    SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, SB raises to $22, MP2 folds, hero????
    don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
    allin, reload, repeat

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  2. 07-08-2008 06:01 AM #2
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    dude you think too much.
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  3. 07-08-2008 06:02 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4
    dude you think too much.
    i pushed. Thinking came later - I don't think pushing was +EV, regardless of whether or not I stole the pot
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  4. 07-08-2008 06:11 AM #4
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    worse rarely calls.
    he cant bluff call.
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  5. 07-08-2008 06:35 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4
    worse rarely calls.
    he cant bluff call.
    exactly = why i posted this hand. I think folding > calling > pushing - but folding feels SO weak!
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  6. 07-08-2008 07:29 AM #6
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    felting > folding > pushing.
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  7. 07-09-2008 03:38 PM #7
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    cbet bigger. EZ shove over imo.
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    3bet to $65/f
    LOL OPERATIONS
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    3bet to $65/f
    wait wat?

    are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative.
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  10. 07-09-2008 05:40 PM #10
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    Raise more pre-flop.
    Slightly bigger flop bet.
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    $15 flop c-bet and shove over small stack's c/r. There's not a lot you can do here but felt it with your over pairs.. it'd be cooler if either sb or CO turned over 55 ,QQ+ or trip 6.
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  12. 07-09-2008 10:18 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4
    dude you think too much.
    i pushed. Thinking came later - I don't think pushing was +EV, regardless of whether or not I stole the pot
    I do. Even if he did have a hand this time. Against a full stack unknown it would be closer but my experience is these medium stacks minraise/fold to a shove a high percentage.
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  13. 07-09-2008 10:44 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgers
    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    3bet to $65/f
    wait wat?

    are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative.
    Yeah, is this bad?
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  14. 07-09-2008 10:52 PM #14
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    wow!! if you wanna fold to a 4 bet, whats the point of 3 bet raising in this spot? I never fold to a 4 bet after sticking in half effective starting stack on this flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    3bet to $65/f
    wait wat?

    are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative.
    Yeah, is this bad?
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    I'm still confused by what you mean but 3bet/folding is terrible bad because they can be shoving draws.
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    I would shrug and fold the flop, for what it's worth.
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  17. 07-10-2008 08:44 AM #17
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    pokerfan i think you just got leveled by bred, and in relation to the hand im folding to the minraise by the sb.
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