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  1. 08-05-2008 02:36 AM #1
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    Default jj stop n go standard?

    ok, I'm trying to understand stop n go play
    Villain is 10-9, 5% 3-bet and a 6ptBB/100 winner over 10k hands
    standard?

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    MP2 ($201.90)
    MP3 ($172.75)
    Hero ($104)
    Button ($131.75)
    SB ($128)
    BB ($60)
    UTG ($200)
    UTG+1 ($199)
    MP1 ($100)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J.
    5 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50.

    Flop: ($25.50) 6, 9, 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $17,
    don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
    allin, reload, repeat

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  2. 08-05-2008 06:03 AM #2
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    fold out QQ/KK
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    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
    tongue sorta in cheek... 3-betting range of villain is almost entirely AA/KK/AK/QQ and a tiny piece of JJ/TT/ATC.
    Bet was about defending my hand, although I'm pretty sure QQ folds here, so does AK, and JJ. I also think that this is the only way I might get KK out of the hand. Basically I'm turning my hand into a bluff.

    Dunno really, I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of stop n go!

    4-betting and I'll end up against AA/KK only, but I want to see a flop. Checking and it's a guaranteed c-bet and I don't particularly want to c-r allin. So I bet 3/4 pot, not quite pot-fucked and check some more detailed stats if he pushes over.

    I'm thinking loads about 3betting at the moment - how/when to do it, and how to react to it. Comments welcome.
    don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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    qq never ever ever folds ever ever

    ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    fold out QQ/KK
    lol these hands never fold here, prolly just fold pre as we are going to be oop for the rest on the hand and it doesn't play that well vs his 3betting range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
    tongue sorta in cheek... 3-betting range of villain is almost entirely AA/KK/AK/QQ and a tiny piece of JJ/TT/ATC.
    Maybe I'm way off but if you say he 3bets 5% thats quite a bit at 100nl (esp. for a 10/9) from what I've seen, and it definitely includes more than AA, KK, AK, QQ etc., in position. I don't know how much it changes the play in this situation, but I really think 5%, especially in a CO/button situation, includes more than just hands that beat you.
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    fold qq/kk? have you ever played poker before this hand?
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    JJ never, QQ rarely
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    I could be wrong but isn't the idea of a stop n go more applicable to tourney poker?
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  13. 08-05-2008 03:57 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    fold qq/kk? have you ever played poker before this hand?
    hmmm, guess my analysis is way off then!
    so pre-flop is a fold?
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  14. 08-06-2008 11:12 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
    There you go line-stepping again.
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