Just Checking

I'm pretty sure i should raise more on the turn so he's commited on the river right. Obviously he has a strong hand and won't fold a reraise most likely.

So just checking if i should definately raise more on the turn and if it's okay, since i didn't do that, to go for the all in on the riv?


Game #1139161397 - (blinds $0.05/$0.10) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/12/07-21:20:43.9 (CST) Table "Ari (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 3 is the button Seat 1: rydigi25 ($12.21 in chips) Seat 2: lilrussell ($14.22 in chips) Seat 3: redgrape ($11.85 in chips) Seat 4: Red sox 1212 ($4.28 in chips) Seat 5: JB777 ($15.09 in chips) Red sox 1212: Post Small Blind ($0.05)
JB777 : Post Big Blind ($0.10)
Dealing...
Dealt to redgrape [ Kh ]
Dealt to redgrape [ Jc ]
rydigi25: Call ($0.10)
lilrussell: Fold
redgrape: Call ($0.10)
Red sox 1212: Fold
JB777 : Raise ($0.25)
rydigi25: Call ($0.25)
redgrape: Call ($0.25)
*** FLOP *** : [ Js 5s Jh ]
JB777 : Check
rydigi25: Check
redgrape: Check
*** TURN *** : [ Js 5s Jh ] [ Ks ]
JB777 : Check
rydigi25: Check
redgrape: Bet ($0.70)
JB777 : Fold
rydigi25: Raise ($1.40)
redgrape: Raise ($1.40)
rydigi25: Call ($0.70)
*** RIVER *** : [ Js 5s Jh Ks ] [ 7d ]
rydigi25: Check
redgrape: Bet ($9.40)


Results in White:

rydigi25: Call ($9.40)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $22.95 | Rake: $1.15
Board: [ Js 5s Jh Ks 7d ]
rydigi25 lost $11.85 [ Qs 9s ] (a flush, king high)
lilrussell didn't bet (folded)
redgrape bet $11.85, collected $22.95, net +$11.10 (showed hand) [ Kh Jc ] (a full house, jacks full of kings) Red sox 1212 lost $0.05 (folded)
JB777 lost $0.35 (folded)

Bet the flop too. Raise the turn hard. Checking great hands with lots of money behind seems to be the mark of bad players in these games.

I NEVER check that flop being last to act. Pot the flop and get it allin on the turn. (also, I REALLY don't like limp/calling with KJo) I like the river bet though

Bet the flop. They will think you are just trying to rep the jack because of position anyway. Flush draws will call, mid pairs might even raise you to see if you're serious.

Raising so small on the turn is kinda tipping your hand toward the boat. A flush pays off a boat almost every time at this limit anyway, but the best way to get the money in is by raising the turn for real and pushing the river.

I agree that you should put out some bet on the flop being last to act. Even a min-bet to make it look like you are chasing too. Perfect turn card for you but I think your reraise should be higher to get him more committed. I know you don't want to scare him off, but he already reraised you so he likes his hand.

Bet the flop. But don't minbet it, looks suspicious.

2/3 pot or pot, he'll call with a flush draw. Then you can more easily get all the money in.

Barring specific reads:
Fold preflop.

Bet the Flop.

Do not reraise the Turn.

All in on the River.

Originally Posted by Iconoclastic

Barring specific reads:
Fold preflop.

Bet the Flop.

Do not reraise the Turn.

All in on the River.

saving your money for the river is not usualy a good line. If he is repping a made hand then get it in there prior to the river. You can't expect 2nd best hands to call as often on the river as they will when there are more cards to come.

Originally Posted by Iconoclastic

Barring specific reads:
Fold preflop.

Yeah yeah.

Originally Posted by Iconoclastic

Do not reraise the Turn.

I think this is bad advice. He already had to make a big overbet on the river after making the reraise. I don't think most good players are looking to call a huge river overbet with a flush there...I would try and get more money in on the turn than he did, that way you can maybe pot the river.

OK guys. I wrote that post while I was playing in the middle of hand. I barely read the thread. My mistake on the bad line.