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    Default KK into a flush draw...right odds?

    Jus played a strange KK hand. Table was fairly loose-aggressive and normally I would not have stayed after a flop like that (hard to bet to eliminate against these guys, I had tried in previous hands)

    However, the turn card showed promise of a nut flush for me if it hit by the river. I have 2 questions about this hand but before you give advice, realise that these guys weren't betting as hard as they normally did...It felt like weakness bets to me. Ok the questions:

    1 - Did I have the right drawing odds? (Still learning and cant calculate pot odds very well)

    2 - Upon making the draw and seeing I had to act first on the river, what would've been the best way to maximise winnings (a leak I am working on also.) Was the 0.20c tempt bet too small, should I have checked or simply gone allin and hoped for a caller.

    Thanks everyone

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) converter

    BB ($3.75)
    UTG ($2.20)
    MP1 ($2.99)
    MP2 ($1.64)
    CO ($3.98)
    Button ($4)
    Hero ($4.92)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with
    UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.1, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.08, MP2 raises to $0.18, CO calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.4, BB calls $0.30, UTG folds, MP2 calls $0.22, CO calls $0.22.

    Flop: ($1.70) (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $0.2, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20.

    Turn: ($2.50) (4 players)
    Hero bets $0.1, BB calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.2, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.10.

    River: ($3.30) (4 players)
    Hero bets $0.2, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, CO folds.

    Final Pot: $3.90

    Results in white below:
    BB has 4h Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
    MP2 has Kd As (two pair, aces and jacks).
    Hero has Kh Kc (flush, ace high).
    Outcome: Hero wins $3.90.
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    himself fucker.
    Push preflop.

    On the river, the pot is huge. Bet something bigger. You be about one millionth the pot on the river. Get some real value out of your hand.

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    Quite simply, I agree. I'd be willing to bet you'd get an all in call from someone with trips. Go for it!
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    You didn't have odds on the flop, assuming you put them on either an A or a J. On the turn, you definitely did - any K, T, or club = 2 + 3 + 9 = 14 outs. Roughly 29% for that to come in. The bet to call was less than 10% of the pot. Easy call.

    Agreed that a larger river bet was in order. A push might have not gotten calls, but I think $0.50 or even $1 would easily (hell, I'd call with that sized pot).
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  5. #5
    Thanks for the responses everyone!

    Yes the minute I put in that limp bet on the river it felt too soft. So i'll use JeffreyGB's bet advice (it is an admitted leak im working to plug.)

    Yea if I get action like that in the future rilla i'll push, esp considering how loose they were.

    thanks again!
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    DoGGz Guest
    Well, I don't even see betting after the flop.

    If you have AA or KK, you raise, and get re-raised, then I'm all in preflop.

    AK probably calls you here anyway (at these limits)
  7. #7
    hey doggz,

    at micro limits I find you pretty much kill all competition going too crazy pre-flop. Keeping it around 2.5-5BB you at least keep a few people in the hand.

    I find at micro limits they are maniacs and will either put you allin preflop (rarely happens imo at 0.01-0.02) or you bet about 0.10 and get 2-4people in.

    I will keep this in mind when I move up limits however, I realise you dont want many opponents with KK/AA.
  8. #8
    Hm I found out being called all the time playing these microgames thats why I dont think that there are a lot of tactics possible. I would have Pushed it all the way holdin KK hopin not to get beaten by AA

    But with this mayor Flush draw I would have checked waitin for some on else to make a bet on ther flush (or bluf) in order to reraise them. With these mircogames someone already in for a big bet on the river shall (99%) always call your reraise
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