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    Default Lukewarm hand on a shitty board against a loose player

    I donked this one up pretty badly. But I'm wondering how to improve, though I think I can speculate.

    Villain who has position on me is 69/17/4.5 after about 50 hands. But somehow I never saw a showdown from any of his winnings, and he had already doubled-up before I sat in. After hand 1 I should have left the table for a better seat.

    Historical hand (sometime earlier in the session):

    Poker Room skin
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
    9 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $54.05
    UTG+1: $76.45
    xTheHorrorx: $49.25
    MP2: $112.75
    MP3: $70.20
    CO: $51.30
    Button: $85.60
    SB: $52.25
    BB: $63.75

    Pre-flop: (9 players) xTheHorrorx is MP1 with T T
    2 folds, xTheHorrorx raises to $2, MP2 calls, 5 folds.

    Flop: A 7 Q ($4.75, 2 players)
    xTheHorrorx bets $3, MP2 calls.

    Turn: 4 ($10.75, 2 players)
    xTheHorrorx bets $5, MP2 raises to $10, xTheHorrorx folds.
    Uncalled bets: $5 returned to MP2.

    Results:
    Final pot: $20.75

    Fairly standard play, I hope.

    This one came up sometime later in the session - I was playing nitty and really hadn't seen much, though I had reloaded since the hand above.

    Poker Room skin
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
    10 players
    Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $43.75
    UTG+1: $123.35
    UTG+2: $61.80
    MP1: $81.70
    xTheHorrorx: $46.50
    MP3: $117.45
    CO: $95.50
    Button: $47.05
    SB: $37.75
    BB: $50.00

    Pre-flop: (10 players) xTheHorrorx is MP2 with A J
    4 folds, xTheHorrorx raises to $2, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

    Flop: 9 Q J ($6.25, 3 players)
    BB checks, xTheHorrorx bets $4, MP3 calls, BB calls.

    Is this standard raise and c-bet? Am I making a mistake in c-betting an agro and chasy player? Of course his smooth-call says nothing, as he would float plenty of flops in raised pots.

    Turn: 3 ($18.25, 3 players)

    Now what? My hand is very mediocre given the board and villain could have a flush draw, top pair weak kicker, any combo of pair or pair + draw etc.

    Thanks for any advice. Against an unknown opponent, I'm probably check-folding the turn here, but against this one, it's questionable. I'm not sure how much show-down value I have, but I am fairly certain that opponent will bet with anything he has if BB and I check.
  2. #2
    1. Am I missing something? It's tough to put a laggtard exactly on Kh or Jh.

    2. I don't like a c-bet here for a few reasons: multiple draws on the board, 3-way pot and a laggy player behind you. I would check flop and if MP3 bets and BB calls either fold or put in a big c/r. As played it looks like both players are drawing but any attempt to take this pot is going to cost you a lot. I check turn and if MP3 bets and BB calls, fold. If MP3 bets and BB folds, I might call for the right price.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    1. Am I missing something? It's tough to put a laggtard exactly on Kh or Jh.
  4. #4
    As far as hand 1 goes, I did not have a read on the guy yet...I don't see a lot of people reraising this flop without the goods...is this a call and check-call/fold river hand then? My turn bet was slightly too weak though, which may have sparked the reraise.

    Hand 2 - I probably should have led here, but I check-called $10 and check-folded the $15 bet on the Q on the river...I have a feeling that in both hands I was just outdrawn, and that in the second hand he really had KQ/QT or somesuch...I called the turn as I suspected I might have some showdown value against this player, but the river said otherwise. My check on the turn gives off a weakish AK c-bet impression which is why I feel like I should have led for that $10 instead of check-calling it.

    In retrospect, it appears that I was semi-tilting in the second hand after the results of the first though, so I think it's just a lesson learned kinda thing.

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