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    Default middle set deep - check river behind?

    villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs, but doesn't showdown much. River check behind too weak? bet-fold

    Comments on flop and turn bet-sizing also appreciated, they are way too small given stack-sizes and read I think. Pot-pot better?

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    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8, 8
    UTG bets $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, Hero calls $4, 4 folds

    Flop: ($13.50) 8, A, 6 (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $8, 1 fold, MP1 calls $8

    Turn: ($29.50) 3 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $23, MP1 calls $23

    River: ($75.50) 9 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, how nit am i?
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    bet/fold something big like $70. There's all sorts of 2 pair combos that are calling, AK, hell even undersets. No need to be scared but if he shoves it's a fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgers
    bet/fold something big like $70. There's all sorts of 2 pair combos that are calling, AK, hell even undersets. No need to be scared but if he shoves it's a fold.
    I probably bet a little smaller, but there is no way you should be thinking about checking behind here. I make it 55-60 or there abouts. I like all streets except river if you checked.
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    guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
    i bet $50 and got min-check-raised. Just curious. Doing some study cos I need to get better. Thanks
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    I would bet more on the flop and turn and almost pot the river. As played I guess call
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
    i bet $50 and got min-check-raised. Just curious. Doing some study cos I need to get better. Thanks
    spenda was kidding, but i bet $50 also and fold to a raise.
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    if you check this behind you should probably also check behind KQdd
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    Default Re: middle set deep - check river behind?

    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs


    I think this answers your own question. There is obviously a great deal of value to be had on this river against this villain. I bet larger on flop ($11), and larger on turn ($28-$30ish), and obv bet the river as well, and pretty large against this bad of a player.

    As played, I probably pay off the minraise. Your getting 3.5:1, and I don't think it's unreasonable that he can show up with worse (A9, A8, 66, 33).
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    Default Re: middle set deep - check river behind?

    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs


    I think this answers your own question. There is obviously a great deal of value to be had on this river against this villain. I bet larger on flop ($11), and larger on turn ($28-$30ish), and obv bet the river as well, and pretty large against this bad of a player.

    As played, I probably pay off the minraise. Your getting 3.5:1, and I don't think it's unreasonable that he can show up with worse (A9, A8, 66, 33).
    This. Although I'd go 11/32/75 or something.


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