My best call ever.

I think this is possibly the best call I've ever made. Check it out:

PokerStars Game #1980221390: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/06/26 - 22:12:07 (ET)
Table 'Trinculo' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: CoachMarshal ($269 in chips)
Seat 2: gutdog33 ($92.10 in chips)
Seat 4: DiscoDennis ($192.80 in chips)
Seat 5: SLIPPY622 ($281.85 in chips)
Seat 6: dsaxton ($245.80 in chips)
Seat 7: crackleback ($209.80 in chips)
Seat 8: LINDY_C ($70 in chips)
Seat 9: cryptofex ($269 in chips)
cryptofex: posts small blind $1
CoachMarshal: posts big blind $2
20nCrAzY: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [Jd Ah]
gutdog33: calls $2
DiscoDennis: folds
SLIPPY622: folds
dsaxton: raises $6 to $8
crackleback: folds
LINDY_C: folds
cryptofex: folds
CoachMarshal: folds
gutdog33: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [5s 4s 2h]
gutdog33: checks
dsaxton: bets $15
gutdog33: calls $15
*** TURN *** [5s 4s 2h] [3h]
gutdog33: checks
dsaxton: bets $25
gutdog33: calls $25
*** RIVER *** [5s 4s 2h 3h] [As]
gutdog33: bets $44.10 and is all-in
dsaxton: calls $44.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gutdog33: shows [Qs Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
dsaxton: mucks hand
gutdog33 collected $184.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $187.20 | Rake $3
Board [5s 4s 2h 3h As]
Seat 1: CoachMarshal (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: gutdog33 showed [Qs Ks] and won ($184.20) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: DiscoDennis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SLIPPY622 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dsaxton mucked [Jd Ah]
Seat 7: crackleback folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: LINDY_C (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cryptofex (small blind) folded before Flop

And this is the best reply i've ever posted!

-'rilla

push all-in the turn, and you wouldnt have had a problem

Originally Posted by spino1i

push all-in the turn, and you wouldnt have had a problem

Just lead out AI?

-'rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by spino1i

push all-in the turn, and you wouldnt have had a problem

Just lead out AI?

-'rilla

Well its dangerous I agree, but to be honest, if the other guy has a 6, theres no way your really getting away from this one. I mean what if the villain raised him to 50$ on the turn? Could he have really laid his hand down? It was much more likely villain had an ace as well instead of 6, and your really pot-comittted by this point (villain would only have 17 dollars left on top of his 42 dollar raise).

So my philisophy is, if your gonna lose all your money anyway to a 6, might as well give the draw (the only other thing your gonna run into really) bad odds to call.

gc!

Way to go!

It was a god call right up to the river, when it turned into a very bad call.
If you had just checked and folded or at least checked and called the river, you would have played it very well.

It's too bad the As showed (probably gave you a sense that you weren't up against AXs). But a check is definitely the right play there.

Originally Posted by DimitriT

It was a god call right up to the river, when it turned into a very bad call.
If you had just checked and folded or at least checked and called the river, you would have played it very well.

It's too bad the As showed (probably gave you a sense that you weren't up against AXs). But a check is definitely the right play there.

Can he fold the river against action that it either a flush or a bluff? It comes down to the op. If its 50/50 between flush and bluff, you gotta fold.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by DimitriT

It was a god call right up to the river, when it turned into a very bad call.
If you had just checked and folded or at least checked and called the river, you would have played it very well.

It's too bad the As showed (probably gave you a sense that you weren't up against AXs). But a check is definitely the right play there.

Can he fold the river against action that it either a flush or a bluff? It comes down to the op. If its 50/50 between flush and bluff, you gotta fold.

-'rilla

Seems like if it's 50/50 between flush and bluff, you have to call. With $140 in the pot after his opponent's bet and $44 to call, if the odds of a bluff are above about 1-in-3, this should be +EV. Unless I'm missing something?

Originally Posted by Zangief

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by DimitriT

It was a god call right up to the river, when it turned into a very bad call.
If you had just checked and folded or at least checked and called the river, you would have played it very well.

It's too bad the As showed (probably gave you a sense that you weren't up against AXs). But a check is definitely the right play there.

Can he fold the river against action that it either a flush or a bluff? It comes down to the op. If its 50/50 between flush and bluff, you gotta fold.

-'rilla

Seems like if it's 50/50 between flush and bluff, you have to call. With $140 in the pot after his opponent's bet and $44 to call, if the odds of a bluff are above about 1-in-3, this should be +EV. Unless I'm missing something?

You're forgetting something. If he's bluffing its only a split pot.. he doesnt win. So assuming he already has half his chips in the pot (which seems to be the case) then:

The guy is bluffing: He wins net 0$
The guy has the flush: He loses x$ + amount he already has in the pot where x$ is the amount of dollars bet by the guy.

Or he folds: He loses half of what the pot is currently at.

The guy bet 44$, and the pot stood at about 90$ i think (i might be wrong on that), so lets say thats roughly close to half the amount the guy bet.

So he wins 0$ if he calls the bluff, loses 90$ net if he calls a flush.

If he folds he loses 45$ net.

So its worth a call if you think there's over a 50% chance of the guy bluffing.

Originally Posted by spino1i

You're forgetting something. If he's bluffing its only a split pot.. he doesnt win. So assuming he already has half his chips in the pot (which seems to be the case) then:

The guy is bluffing: He wins net 0$
The guy has the flush: He loses x$ + amount he already has in the pot where x$ is the amount of dollars bet by the guy.

Or he folds: He loses half of what the pot is currently at.

The guy bet 44$, and the pot stood at about 90$ i think (i might be wrong on that), so lets say thats roughly close to half the amount the guy bet.

So he wins 0$ if he calls the bluff, loses 90$ net if he calls a flush.

If he folds he loses 45$ net.

So its worth a call if you think there's over a 50% chance of the guy bluffing.

Yes, I forgot the split pot. But the way you describe it doesn't really make sense. The money you've put in the pot is not yours anymore.

The math just changes from call $44 to win $140 (call if he bluffs more often than about 1-in-3 here) to call $44 to win $70 (call if he bluffs more often than about 1-in-1.5 here).

So it's actually only worth a call if the guy bluffs here about 2/3 of the time. I guess this would take a pretty strong read.

Originally Posted by Zangief

Originally Posted by spino1i

You're forgetting something. If he's bluffing its only a split pot.. he doesnt win. So assuming he already has half his chips in the pot (which seems to be the case) then:

The guy is bluffing: He wins net 0$
The guy has the flush: He loses x$ + amount he already has in the pot where x$ is the amount of dollars bet by the guy.

Or he folds: He loses half of what the pot is currently at.

The guy bet 44$, and the pot stood at about 90$ i think (i might be wrong on that), so lets say thats roughly close to half the amount the guy bet.

So he wins 0$ if he calls the bluff, loses 90$ net if he calls a flush.

If he folds he loses 45$ net.

So its worth a call if you think there's over a 50% chance of the guy bluffing.

Yes, I forgot the split pot. But the way you describe it doesn't really make sense. The money you've put in the pot is not yours anymore.

The math just changes from call $44 to win $140 (call if he bluffs more often than about 1-in-3 here) to call $44 to win $70 (call if he bluffs more often than about 1-in-1.5 here).

So it's actually only worth a call if the guy bluffs here about 2/3 of the time. I guess this would take a pretty strong read.

When I say net I mean from the beginning of the hand. Your end result from start of hand to end of hand. You could subtract the money he's already put in and do it all over again, its just simpler for me.

Originally Posted by spino1i

When I say net I mean from the beginning of the hand. Your end result from start of hand to end of hand. You could subtract the money he's already put in and do it all over again, its just simpler for me.

But on the river, he only has 1 decision to make and it is separate from all the other decisions that put money into the pot. His choice is to call or fold. If he calls and loses, he will lose $44. If he calls and splits, he will win $92.

I actually had that wrong up above. If he calls for $44 and splits, he will win $92 ... giving him about 1-in-2 to catch a bluff. Blurgh.

i fold preflop