My NL game is rusty...

CARDSON

***** Hand History for Game 1328976361 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 03:59:22 EDT 2004
Table Table 14780 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: serialx ( $42.45 )
Seat 3: jesse81 ( $23.85 )
Seat 6: joelio7 ( $67.5 )
Seat 8: Iplaytoomuch ( $69.05 )
Seat 10: HenryFnord ( $54.1 )
Seat 5: gclownin ( $50.4 )
HenryFnord posts small blind [$0.5].
serialx posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HenryFnord [ Ah Jc ]
jesse81 folds.
gclownin folds.
joelio7 folds.
Iplaytoomuch raises [$2].
HenryFnord raises [$5.5].
serialx folds.
Iplaytoomuch calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 2d, Ad ]
HenryFnord bets [$8].
Iplaytoomuch raises [$16].
HenryFnord is all-In.
Iplaytoomuch calls [$32.1].

***** Hand History for Game 1329047109 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 04:48:21 EDT 2004
Table Table 14780 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: joelio7 ( $65.4 )
Seat 8: Iplaytoomuch ( $150.55 )
Seat 10: HenryFnord ( $54.7 )
Seat 5: gclownin ( $112.4 )
HenryFnord posts small blind [$0.5].
gclownin posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HenryFnord [ 8c 8s ]
joelio7 folds.
Iplaytoomuch calls [$1].
HenryFnord raises [$2.5].
gclownin raises [$6].
Iplaytoomuch folds.
HenryFnord calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 3s, 4h ]
HenryFnord checks.
gclownin checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
HenryFnord bets [$5].
gclownin calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
HenryFnord checks.
gclownin bets [$15].
HenryFnord calls [$15].

***** Hand History for Game 1328970719 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 03:55:51 EDT 2004
Table Table 14780 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: serialx ( $43.95 )
Seat 3: jesse81 ( $23.35 )
Seat 6: joelio7 ( $70 )
Seat 8: Iplaytoomuch ( $49.55 )
Seat 10: HenryFnord ( $52.7 )
Seat 5: gclownin ( $19 )
serialx posts small blind [$0.5].
jesse81 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HenryFnord [ 6h 6c ]
joelio7 calls [$1].
Iplaytoomuch raises [$3].
serialx: fnord in da house
HenryFnord calls [$3].
serialx folds.
jesse81 folds.
joelio7 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 5s, 3s ]
Iplaytoomuch bets [$5].
HenryFnord calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
Iplaytoomuch bets [$5].
HenryFnord raises [$15].
Iplaytoomuch is all-In.
HenryFnord folds.

***** Hand History for Game 1328980637 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 04:02:05 EDT 2004
Table Table 14780 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: serialx ( $27.95 )
Seat 3: jesse81 ( $36.5 )
Seat 6: joelio7 ( $66 )
Seat 8: Iplaytoomuch ( $126.8 )
Seat 10: HenryFnord ( $49 )
Seat 5: gclownin ( $47.4 )
HenryFnord posts small blind [$0.5].
serialx posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HenryFnord [ Kh Kd ]
jesse81 raises [$2].
gclownin folds.
joelio7 folds.
Iplaytoomuch folds.
HenryFnord raises [$5.5].
serialx folds.
jesse81 calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 7s, Ad ]
HenryFnord bets [$8].
jesse81 raises [$16].
HenryFnord folds.

***** Hand History for Game 1329006216 *****
$50 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 04:18:47 EDT 2004
Table Table 14780 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: jesse81 ( $36.8 )
Seat 6: joelio7 ( $93.65 )
Seat 8: Iplaytoomuch ( $109.35 )
Seat 10: HenryFnord ( $47.05 )
Seat 5: gclownin ( $72.25 )
Seat 1: johnny25 ( $49.75 )
jesse81 posts small blind [$0.5].
gclownin posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HenryFnord [ Kh Ad ]
joelio7 folds.
Iplaytoomuch folds.
HenryFnord raises [$3].
johnny25 calls [$3].
jesse81 calls [$2.5].
gclownin folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 4s, 4c ]
jesse81 checks.
HenryFnord checks.
johnny25 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
jesse81 checks.
HenryFnord bets [$4].
johnny25 calls [$4].
jesse81 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
HenryFnord checks.
johnny25 bets [$4].
HenryFnord calls [$4].

Hand 1: Why the preflop reraise with AJ? I can't think of many worse hands that are going to call you. I think his raise on the flop tells you you're beat.

Hand 2: Reraised you preflop, so you have to put him on big cards or a big pair. The check on the flop tells me that he probably had big cards that missed, likely AK. I think he called your turn bet just because it was relatively small hoping to hit one of his cards on the river, then tried to blow you out on the river after you checked to him, expecting that he may have you high-carded if you don't fold. Think you got him on this one. There's a nagging voice in the back of my head that is worried about a set of 10's though.

Hand 3: Raise on the flop if you're going to play this one, I think. I'd be inclined to just dump it when he bets the flop out of position, but I see where the overpair + open-ended straight draw makes it worth playing.

Hand 4: Good laydown.

Hand 5: He must have hit something, though I can't quite figure out what. Interested to see the outcome of this one.

Originally Posted by TylerK

Hand 1: Why the preflop reraise with AJ? I can't think of many worse hands that are going to call you. I think his raise on the flop tells you you're beat.

Blind defense. The over the top flop re-raise was to protect what I thought was the best hand.

Originally Posted by TylerK

Hand 3: Raise on the flop if you're going to play this one, I think. I'd be inclined to just dump it when he bets the flop out of position, but I see where the overpair + open-ended straight draw makes it worth playing.

Yeah I thought about it, but really liked his flop under-bet and thought I'd see what the turn brought. I figured I could spook down a big pair or get big unpaired cards to fold with a turn raise.

Originally Posted by TylerK

Hand 5: He must have hit something, though I can't quite figure out what. Interested to see the outcome of this one.

Think I'm good often enough to call the river, or was it a silly call?

Originally Posted by Fnord

HenryFnord is all-In.

Ouch!
Rust NEVER Sleeps!

Fnord your post is devoid of reads.

6max is completely about reads.


Gimme some reads!

-'rilla

Why go to NL from limit fnord?

Just a change of pace?

Alright, since you're not giving me reads I'll push on assuming they're decent.

Hand one. Just call preflop. You don't need to defend your blinds since you can make up a lot of ground post flop. Check call the flop, don't raise. He'll put you on the flush draw. You can scare him off with a diamond if he has a better hand OR if the diamond draw misses and he really puts the screws down on you with a nice turn bet, you can put him on a strong ace. Weak lead the turn, attack any weakness on the river. (Weak raises or flat calls)

Hand two: Bet the flop and turn and win the pot. River is a good call. He probably has 5s with a missed OESD.

Hand three: Raise the flop. You've got the best hand and outs to make a better hand. Third pair won't enjoy calling.

Hand four: Can't say. I need to know the player.

Hand five: Looks fine.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by TylerK

Hand 5: He must have hit something, though I can't quite figure out what. Interested to see the outcome of this one.

Think I'm good often enough to call the river, or was it a silly call?

Well..there's $22 in the pot counting his river bet, and you need to call $4. So, I guess you have to be right about 18% of the time to break even on this call. Still, it seems like he's got *something*, I just can't figure out what it is. What was your read on this player? If he's a little fishy I'd put him on maybe a medium pocket pair.

I like the call simply for information.

-'rilla

Ive played with Jesse81 a bunch of times. He always buys in with much less than the max. He is not good, but I would put him on the Ace in Hand 4. He is a big loser in my PT over 400 hands weve played together. I think Iplaytoomuch got the best of you these times. AK or AQ hand #1 and higher pair in hand #3. Also I think I call in the last hand as well for info but I think he has a mid pair. my $.02.

Originally Posted by Corey

Why go to NL from limit fnord?

Just a change of pace?

A certain FTR member was at the table.

Im a NL fish so Im glad it wasnt me Fnord was trying to take money from.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Corey

Why go to NL from limit fnord?

Just a change of pace?

A certain FTR member was at the table.

<wink>

Just thinking out-loud (I should do these analyses more often, as it helps me to focus better on my own play)...



Hand 1: Re-raising his minimum raise on the flop is good.. blind-protecting with a good hand. Flop, overplayed. I posted a while ago how much I dread AJ now. His re-raise on the flop would have me fearing, at the very least, AQ or AK, if not 2-pair or a set (protecting against the flush).

Hand 2: Pre-flop seems reasonable. Flop, checking to the re-raiser is about all you can do from early position. Turn, maybe should bet 1/2 pot since you're only facing 1 overcard and might bump him off if he's on a draw. River, his bet seems legitimate (not overbetting/bluffing). Don't think that was a good call. He was slow-playing TPTK? Or he has a suited A2? You'd be amazed how aggressive some people get pre-flop with any Ace on these short-handed tables.

Hand 3: Flop, gotta call that... at least. I might even raise it with the overpair, albeit a small pair. He could have bet the same amount with a hand like AK/AQ/KQ, etc., or if he's on a draw. If he calls your raise, be ready to drop it on the turn. If he re-raises, gotta figure he has a higher pair and you fold and save the agony of making tougher decisions if he comes out firing again later (and maybe save money in the end). Turn, good try repping the set and good fold to the re-raise. Kinda hard to put you on a 3, though, as the only reasonable way you would have a 3 is if you had A3.

Hand 4: Good.

Hand 5: Flop, BET. You only had 2 callers pre-flop and one's already checked to you. You might've taken it on the flop. River, I'd fold. This ain't limit. Players generally won't bet so small on the river unless they have a hand... small bets usually get called. Players attempting to steal the pot with nothing on the river generally bet huge, like pot-size or nearly pot-size, but not all their chips. Unexpected all-in bets on the river can go either way -- stone-cold bluff or a slow-played monster trying to look like a stone-cold bluff. I've found the latter to be more often the case. I'm guessing this guy had the 10?

Side note.

Something strange that I've noticed in the past week that I've been playing 6-max NLHE at Party again (was playing elsewhere for a while)... It's been much tougher/tighter than I remember it being just a month or two ago. A lot more players are folding to my 3xBB pre-flop raises. But it seems like they're still calling other player's similar pre-flop raises. Does that sound crazy?

One of 3 things seems to have happened:
1. A lot of them have notes on me as being a rock (?!?!?)
2. My play has become more obviously that of a rock (though, I don't think I've changed much)
3. The players at 6-max NLHE have generally tightened up (better players?)

Okay.. the first one makes it seem like I'm paranoid. But seriously.. all week long, it's as if people know me! I can't get any action when I come out firing with good hands! Where did my fish go?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Fnord your post is devoid of reads.

6max is completely about reads.


Gimme some reads!

-'rilla

He just got to the table, just as I had (serialx, about 1/2 hour earlier).
No reads yet.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Hand one. Just call preflop. You don't need to defend your blinds since you can make up a lot of ground post flop. Check call the flop, don't raise. He'll put you on the flush draw. You can scare him off with a diamond if he has a better hand OR if the diamond draw misses and he really puts the screws down on you with a nice turn bet, you can put him on a strong ace. Weak lead the turn, attack any weakness on the river. (Weak raises or flat calls)

I like this play... check/call the flop. I've been doing this a lot more lately with top pair/decent kicker and it seems to be working better than coming out firing first.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I like the call simply for information.

-'rilla

Calling simply for information in an online cash game is not money well spent in my humble opinion. In a tournament, sure. In a live cash game, sure. I guess maybe if the guy just sat down a short while ago, but in general players move in and out of tables too much to make it a worthwhile investment.

Originally Posted by TJ

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I like the call simply for information.

-'rilla

Calling simply for information in an online cash game is not money well spent in my humble opinion. In a tournament, sure. In a live cash game, sure. I guess maybe if the guy just sat down a short while ago, but in general players move in and out of tables too much to make it a worthwhile investment.

6max is reads-centric. I overvalue information much more than money when I don't have someone pinned down. I'm talking from 100NL standpoint where the players don't have 15 minute sessions.

25NL it would be a bad idea.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by Xianti

Side note.

Something strange that I've noticed in the past week that I've been playing 6-max NLHE at Party again (was playing elsewhere for a while)... It's been much tougher/tighter than I remember it being just a month or two ago. A lot more players are folding to my 3xBB pre-flop raises. But it seems like they're still calling other player's similar pre-flop raises. Does that sound crazy?

One of 3 things seems to have happened:
1. A lot of them have notes on me as being a rock (?!?!?)
2. My play has become more obviously that of a rock (though, I don't think I've changed much)
3. The players at 6-max NLHE have generally tightened up (better players?)

Okay.. the first one makes it seem like I'm paranoid. But seriously.. all week long, it's as if people know me! I can't get any action when I come out firing with good hands! Where did my fish go?

That should be just at 50NL. The 25NL is still a fish fest, but those solid and tight enough to survive and move up the ladder all settle on 50NL. It's just the rocks that (ironically) have risen to the top and have their own stake all for themselves. They arn't that bad at 100NL.

-'rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

The 25NL is still a fish fest, but those solid and tight enough to survive and move up the ladder all settle on 50NL. It's just the rocks that (ironically) have risen to the top and have their own stake all for themselves. They arn't that bad at 100NL.

I should've clarified. I've mostly been playing 100NL at Party now. 50NL occasionally. Even at these stakes just a couple months ago seemed really fishy to me.

hand #1
the check raise preflop was good. Its just like you said, trying to protect what you thought was the best hand.
But when he called your AI on the flop, I bet you would have been crapping yourself, I would have been with A-J.
I wouldnt have gone AI on the flop with A-J unless you had some read on him of course.

hand #2
I think your screwed on this hand, he probably had A-10s or maybe higher pocket pair. Still slight possibility he had A-K or something similiar, thought you were on low pocket pair and so decided to bluff you out.
Would have bet on flop. Wouldnt have called the river bet of $15.

hand #3
would have raised on flop with overpair and open ended. Made a good move by folding to his AI on turn though. Lots of people I know would have called that crap with overpair & open ended seeing as they put so much money in pot.

hand #4
Yea would have done the same with that bullet on the flop.

hand #5
He probably would have hit his queen (or had decent pocket pair). BTW, I would have bet on the flop here not checked, to see where I am in the hand.

steelwheels

Originally Posted by Xianti

Side note.

Something strange that I've noticed in the past week that I've been playing 6-max NLHE at Party again (was playing elsewhere for a while)... It's been much tougher/tighter than I remember it being just a month or two ago. A lot more players are folding to my 3xBB pre-flop raises. But it seems like they're still calling other player's similar pre-flop raises. Does that sound crazy?

One of 3 things seems to have happened:
1. A lot of them have notes on me as being a rock (?!?!?)
2. My play has become more obviously that of a rock (though, I don't think I've changed much)
3. The players at 6-max NLHE have generally tightened up (better players?)

Okay.. the first one makes it seem like I'm paranoid. But seriously.. all week long, it's as if people know me! I can't get any action when I come out firing with good hands! Where did my fish go?

Same thing happened to me but not at 6 max. Im thinking it was cause the phat bonus to clear that everyone was trying to do cheap but maybe not. People folded to me for like 3BB raise preflop the whole fucking table like 3 damn times in a row and I was like bitches I like the respect you are showing me but god damn I want callers sometimes. Someone typed in get your V$IP or whatever the hell that crap is above 18 and then I'll think about it. I didnt know what it meant but then he told me and I was like LOL !!!! Its always been around there though and I never had a problem getting callers before. I wish party would let u change your name daily. I hardly take notes on anyone anyway.