need a calling range 400nl

Villain is unknown, bought in short, no avatar, limped sb = donk
Consider I raise any 2 here

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($609)
MP1 ($1225.80)
MP2 ($690.15)
CO ($1109.75)
Button ($647)
SB ($424.90)
Hero (BB) ($621)
UTG ($521.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
6 folds, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $18

Flop: ($48) 2, J, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $400.90 (All-In), Hero

i fold aj here, if that helps any

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

sb doesn't have ak here much.
My stab at villain's range:
22, 33, 99, TT, JJ+, AJ, KJs, and a little bit of ATC - but not enough to matter in this spot...

True.. AK is a stretch.. I got too caught up in him being a total retard and just threw something in there that would be behind AJ, but have some equity.

JJ

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

JJ

33?

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

JJ

33?

yea 33 as well

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

I don't think I would fold AJ either, what's the worst hand you would call with nutsinho?

fucking stations

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by daven

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

JJ

33?

yea 33 as well

just remembered why I didn't include 33 was b/c I doubt dean raises it PF here

Originally Posted by nutsinho

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

haha, i was going to say AJ+ for sure but then all these people were like sets only got me thinking twice.

Originally Posted by daven

i NEVER fold aj here, if that helps any

AJ is a call for me. KJ might be a lil closer but I probably still call.

I raise any 2 against a 70bb stack in the big blind, which is party why this is tough....

ooh I'm going to expand my range b/c I thought this was 2/4

I'm now not folding sets/JJ+

No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

my friend (who is a top notch player) and i each independently came up with JT or better. I wouldnt call you a nit if you stuck with QJ or better though...

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

well i had j4o

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

Originally Posted by Deanglow

well i had j4o

OMG the bots can read minds. Head for the hills!

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

J4+

So J4 but not J2 or J3? Shouldn't that just be Jx?

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

Noted.


I'm hoping the bot understood that and that's why he said J4, assuming two pair was instacall.

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

Originally Posted by bigred

No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

This. On first read through of the hand i was thinking SB had 99/TT.

That a big bet to call with J4o especially on an unknown.

I fold.

Could this possibly be 54s to spades, hearts, or diamonds?

Hmm, doesn't seem to matter:

Code:

Board: 2s 3d Jh
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	28.504%  	25.12% 	03.39% 	        231023 	    31134.00   { J4o }
Hand 1: 	71.496%  	68.11% 	03.39% 	        626419 	    31134.00   { 99+, 33-22, AJs, KJs, QJs, J2s+, 5d4d, 5h4h, 5s4s, AJo, KJo, QJo, J7o+ }

Against that range for villain, we need at least JTs with the backdoor flush draw or QJo:

Code:

Hand 0: 	45.318%  	40.59% 	04.72% 	        360495 	    41946.00   { JTo }

Code:

Hand 0: 	47.885%  	43.38% 	04.51% 	         42942 	     4464.00   { JdTd }

Code:

Hand 0: 	52.999%  	48.64% 	04.35% 	        431979 	    38670.00   { QJo }

22, 33, JJ, AA, J4, J3

Originally Posted by nutsinho

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

imo

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

Originally Posted by iopq

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Originally Posted by iopq

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

qft