Nit v Nit

http://www.pokerhand.org/?770937


Villain is 15/5/1.2 and we've no history. Raiser is kinda an aggro fish.

I think you need to get the money in on the flop.

looks pretty standard.

Weaker but strong showdown hands call the turn bet and look to call on the river or bet for value if checked too so the turn raise looks like an over set, almost inevitably sevens.
I cant see anyone playing AJ or even KJs etc like this.

nice HH, very educational

why no flame like 2p2?

NH

Originally Posted by Renton

why no flame like 2p2?

probably because we arent the typical unthinking nits who open ten tables on stars and think any set is the god-given-nuts.

I guess some of us here actually think making decisions based on the action is more important than playing our hand textbook-perfectly.

ouch, was that a 2p2 flame? :P

Originally Posted by Renton

why no flame like 2p2?

link plz

Lol you stole my title (I had this exact title in the SH forum about a month ago)

Yeah when I can't think of a hand you're beating I think this is a fold.

I have to be honest, I probably would not fold this. But if there was ever a time to fold a set, this would be it.

That turn raise is scary as hell, especially after the smooth call on the flop.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Originally Posted by Renton

why no flame like 2p2?

probably because we arent the typical unthinking nits who open ten tables on stars and think any set is the god-given-nuts.

I guess some of us here actually think making decisions based on the action is more important than playing our hand textbook-perfectly.

ouch, was that a 2p2 flame? :P

Couldn't have said it any better

AA/KK/QQ? I'm not sure I can fold bottom set here.

Eh, I just read it again. Who limps with AA/KK directly after limper with meh position.

This post should maybe be sticky under "when to fold a set".

Is there a greater than 25% chance that you have the best hand?

Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy

Is there a greater than 25% chance that you have the best hand?

pot odds are irrelevant when there is money behind

i call

This doesn't necessarily apply to this hand, but of all the times that you smooth-call the flop and lead the turn, what percentage of the time would you say that you're planning on folding to a raise?

Interesting hand. How long did he wait to call the flop bet? I guess I could see him smooth calling with a set on a board this dry. Given the action, unless this guy is a total moron, I don't see what you're beating. Since you said he's a nit and those stats back it up, I think you made a good fold.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

This doesn't necessarily apply to this hand, but of all the times that you smooth-call the flop and lead the turn, what percentage of the time would you say that you're planning on folding to a raise?

maybe around 30-35% I do this as a bluff 25%, with a decent hand 37.5% and with sets and stuff 37.5%


roughly

Hell of a fold. No way he limps preflop, calls a raise, then cold calls a pot size bet, then raises the turn without 77/JJ. His raise was meant to be called and with his stats it looks like a set every single time.

Ive got to say that i dont always agree with some of rentons more marginal calls but i do certainly agree with a lot of these folds that seem almost dumb but are actully thought through thoroughly and perhaps can be called marginal. It brings a different dimension to understanding folding hands.
nh renton.

Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy

Is there a greater than 25% chance that you have the best hand?

No. This is an over-set from this player everytime. Nice fold Rents.

This was a great hand to analyze...the comments here are very helpful.

Thx...