Nut flush antics

Originally Posted by finky

Originally Posted by SonOfAkira

I believe my read was right, and agree with betting on the flop and raising the turn, driving out the set but having the weaker flush come along for the ride. Is this even too results-oriented? I have mixed feelings on the best way to maximze value with flushes.

I don't think this is results orientated, flushes and sets are never the nuts with more cards to come (as you both found out). The best option is to raise, especially in multiway pots. You don't always want to drive out the sets or 2 pair, just force them into making an error calling.

Free cards = death

Raising = profit

True. Like I said, the last nut flush I had was a actually flopped, and this fellow bet his whole stack on over the course of the flop an turn with only a pair of sevens. I don't know if this was a bluff, or a donkish play, or what, but I didn't mind. When this hand came up, I thought, oh my, it's gonna happen again, great. Greed and overconfidence preventing from making my standard and correct plays. I see the conept, that my hand is very strong but isn't improving, more cards could only weaken it. Much of this was greed, thinking any move by me might lose money and drive out hands, and the appearance of a donkey calling station would net the most.
Still, what do you make of the villain coming alive WHEN the three-to-a-flush hit? If we're being results-oriented, we could say, wow, what a great way to conceal a hand, repping the flush, but this is not optimal, because this play with a set will get you burned far more often than not.
Believe me, I agree with raise, raise, raise, the most profit i've gained from sets was when all the chips went in on the flop with multiple villains, one chasing a flush draw (not that terrible) and one chasing a gutshot or some other ridiculous draw (insane).