OK ... shouldn't have called PFR but I did ... now what

Sorry but no reads on this villain. I would not normally call the PFR from the BB with this hand but things have been on semi-tilt for the past week. So I called and flopped 2 pair. Tried near-PSB on flop and turn and couldn't figure out what the villain was chasing. His PFR indicated something but with 2 pair ... it's bombs away. Of course, being OOP means he could just be calling me down with QQ but I would have expected at least a minraise somewhere along the line. 99 seemed out because he didn't seem like the type of player who would be raising 99.

Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (Real Money), #608,716,924
15 Jun 2006 11:05 PM ET

Seat 2: Villain ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 4: hubriz ($21.85 in chips)
Seat 5: kakatyz ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero [ ] ($23.85 in chips)
Seat 7: kbc008 ($43.45 in chips)
Seat 8: bigpapa050 ($31.05 in chips)
Seat 10: marksmu ($38.50 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
hubriz posts blind ($0.15), kakatyz folds, Hero posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
kbc008 folds, bigpapa050 bets $1, marksmu folds, Villain calls $1, hubriz calls $0.85, Hero calls $0.75.

FLOP [board cards ] pot ~ $4.00
hubriz checks, Hero bets $3, bigpapa050 folds, Villain calls $3, hubriz folds.

TURN [board cards ] pot ~ $10
Hero bets $10, Villain calls $10.

RIVER [board cards ] pot ~ $30
Hero checks, Villain bets $9.10 and is all-in, Hero ???.

Im not sure what he has but it beats a J on that board. Noone calls all the way to the river before making a 1/3 pot bluff.

you are beat here approximately 100% of the time

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

Originally Posted by givememyleg

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

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if you think 2 pair is good on the turn i might consider a c/r line here.
I dont actually think your preflop call is that bad, however at 25nl you can avoid situations like this even though they look very juicy because you can get paid on much simpler plays.
I dont think you can fold the river but i think you arent good here a whole lot. The ev on this would be interesting but i dont think the river call is +ev

Originally Posted by givememyleg

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

QFT!

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

Nice read.

I think the river is a fold--I don't see hero winning this pot 25% of the time.

Originally Posted by pantherhound

Originally Posted by givememyleg

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

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Even if he was being called down with a weak tp he is killed now... basically just agreeing with your post that hero will not win this pot.

Originally Posted by givememyleg

Originally Posted by pantherhound

Originally Posted by givememyleg

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

?

Even if he was being called down with a weak tp he is killed now... basically just agreeing with your post that hero will not win this pot.

Hero didn't win ... Hero did call ... Villain flips over

Originally Posted by KingLizard

Originally Posted by givememyleg

Originally Posted by pantherhound

Originally Posted by givememyleg

His AQ pwnz your J9 now.

?

Even if he was being called down with a weak tp he is killed now... basically just agreeing with your post that hero will not win this pot.

Hero didn't win ... Hero did call ... Villain flips over

hero prob should have pushed the turn because hero wont be folding the river...

Originally Posted by pantherhound

you are beat here approximately 100% of the time

LOL

Don't initiate the betting. c/r the flop or turn big and get it all in before the river if the board hasn't paired yet.

No way you can call that river - KK, AA, Qx all beating you; even the less likely AJ/KJ are beating you; QQ and QJ are ahead of you the whole way, although unlikely.

No way you can call that river - KK, AA, Qx all beating you; even the less likely AJ/KJ are beating you; QQ and QJ are ahead of you the whole way, although unlikely.

Not another one of these threads, they all follow the same 3 steps.

1. Hero posts a hand where he has a very strong hand on the flop or the turn, but a bad card comes on the turn or the river and now a lot of hands beat Hero.
2. Results-oriented posters assume that Hero got sucked out on, because otherwise he wouldn't be posting the hand.
3. Results-oriented posters advise the Hero that he didn't get enough money in when he had the best hand, and should have charged his opponents more money to draw out on him.

It's ridiculous, the OP bets 75% of the pot on the flop and the full pot on the turn when his opponent is drawing to 12 outs, and he should have bet more? I'm sure all of you guys always overbet push the turn when you have a strong but vulnerable hand, that doesn't make you easy to read at all.

KingLizard - I think you played this hand fine except for possibly the river. Pre-flop is an easy call in a multi-way pot with deep stacks, and when you flopped your two pair you charged the villain a lot of money to draw out on you. If you could have pulled off a check-raise all-in on the turn that would have been even better, but there's always a chance that he'd check behind with a draw and if his draw hit then all the results-oriented responses in this thread would be bashing you for checking the turn. As played, the river could go either way, I'd probably fold but there's always a chance he's making a desperation bluff with something like AT or AJ so I don't hate a call that much.

good post mcatdog. Imo hero played fine and has to fold the river because his hand just got forfeited.