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 Originally Posted by Pelion
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
you fold if you bet and he pushes (although the pot odds suck)
This is a crazy spot for a bet/fold.
At the turn the pot is 13.25.
If I bet x, he pushes 17.50.
I then have to call 17.50-x to win 17.50+13.25+x = 30.25+x
To make the call after ive bet i need (17.5-x)/48.25 equity.
I have a 7/44 of hitting the nut flush if he already has one (slightly higher if he has an offsuit straight).
The difference between the equity I need and the lower estimate for the equity I have is therefore:
(17.5-x)/48.25 - 7/44 ~ (17.5-x-7)/44 = (10.5-x)/44
x | Extra equity I need (%)
1 | 21.59090909
2 | 19.31818182
3 | 17.04545455
4 | 14.77272727
5 | 12.5
6 | 10.22727273
7 | 7.954545455
8 | 5.681818182
9 | 3.409090909
10 | 1.136363636
10.5 | 0
If I bet less than half pot or more Im inducing a bluff and If i bet more than half pot Im pretty much committed just on the chance he has 2 pair/air/ something else.
Bet fold sucks.
i dont think i wqas quite serious about folding 
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
because the hands you dont want to call when you have aces (things that can bust you like suited connectors) will be gone pre flop and the only person likely to call you, you will have absolutely dominated going into the flop, so its worth betting large there to get them out and take down a small pot, rather than be in the situation you are in there with a flush on the board and random cards that could have given him something like a 2 pair or something lame and crazy
this is dumb
crap hands are exactly the ones we want to go to a flop because AA wins lots of pots the majority of the time versus any other hand in holdem 
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so because it wins the majority of pots you think you should slow play aces and try and win that way because youll win the majority of pots? thats rediculous
im lost. Whos slow playing aces? 
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