Overpair turns into set, but...

$100 NL

Both opponents are new to me and I don't have a good handle on them yet.

Hand #368816033 at table: Table TH 790
Started: Sun Jul 16 20:51:51 2006

HJ is at seat 1 with 57.75
CO is at seat 2 with 152.22
Button is at seat 3 with 98.00
SB is at seat 5 with 73.16
BB is at seat 6 with 98.00
UTG is at seat 7 with 95.13
Hero is at seat 8 with 146.05
MP1 is at seat 9 with 14.44
MP2 is at seat 10 with 148.80

BB posts the large blind 1.00
SB posts the small blind 0.50

Hero is UTG+1 with :Qs: :Qc:

Pre-flop:

UTG: Fold
Hero: Raise 4.00
MP1: Fold
MP2: Fold
HJ: Call 4.00
CO: Fold
Button: Fold
SB: Call 4.00
BB: Fold

Flop Board: :Js: (Pot = $12)

Looking good here, overpair with gutshot.

SB: Bet 5.00
Hero: Raise 15.00
HJ: Call 15.00
SB: Call 15.00

Two callers, hmmm.

Turn :Qh: (Pot = $57)

Ouch, I improved a lot but I am not sure I improved my strength reletive to my opponents.

SB: Check
Hero: ?

Your move? Check call mode or push/bet with 10 outs to a boat or better?

HJ could easily ATd, it's hard to put him on one hand that HJ has that doesn't have you beat at this point besides two diamonds (plausible). So i'd check/call the turn.

dont bet if you cant stand being raised off your hand, unless youll get donk-raised and have odds to boat up (i.e miniraised)

checkcall

I suck at big pots where I was best but now I probably am not.

Hero: Bet 32.00
HJ: All in
SB: Fold
Hero: Call 38.75

River


Showdown:

Hero shows: Qs, Qc (three of a kind, Queens)
HJ shows: 10d, Kh (straight to the King)

Mainpot:
HJ wins the pot of 132.50 with straight to the King

check/call most bets on the turn

what on god's green earth are u thinking on the river?

Any 10 has a straight, dude. And any 10 also had an OESD on the flop, and 3 people saw a turn...

Originally Posted by Lukie

what on god's green earth are u thinking on the river?

It went allin on the turn.

I guess be thankful he didn't have a full stack.

I would like to check this turn most of the time though... the only problem I see with that though is HJ has 1/3 of his stack in by the turn... if he bets anything are you folding? Once the river hits and we don't improve are we folding to the ~$20 he has left in a ~$90 pot.. (assuming he bets the turn).

If we check and he shoves the turn are we folding?

Originally Posted by Lukie

check/call most bets on the turn

what on god's green earth are u thinking on the river?

Any 10 has a straight, dude. And any 10 also had an OESD on the flop, and 3 people saw a turn...

Those bets happened on the turn so I still had 10 outs to beat him. Yeah, I probably should have let it go on the turn.
If I check the turn and HJ pushes, I fold I guess. Sucks to be outdrawn after putting in so much though.

Should have opted to get to those outs cheaply and check behind though because you know he has a ten and you know there is no way you can get him to fold now.

betting will only scare away worse hands and build a pot for better hands. But checking can induce bluffs and I am just simply not folding unless they guy gives an insane price and practically tables the T