put us on hands

ive been at the table 4-5 orbits
villain appears tight, solid...standard raise is 3-4bb. Note that villain is UTG here and also that he chooses to raise 5bb.

$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 27, 14:16:16 ET 2006
Table Table 107390 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: generalen11 ( $271.33 )
Seat 4: KingCarn ( $342.55 )
Seat 5: sum123 ( $170.48 )
Seat 2: nutsinho ( $258.20 )
Seat 6: INTEGRAGSR95 ( $104 )
INTEGRAGSR95 posts small blind [$1].
nutsinho posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nutsinho [ XX ]
KingCarn raises [$10].
sum123 folds.
INTEGRAGSR95 folds.
nutsinho calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Kd, 9h ]
nutsinho bets [$8].
KingCarn calls [$8].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
nutsinho checks.
sajensen111 has joined the table.
KingCarn bets [$25].
nutsinho raises [$75].
KingCarn calls [$50].
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
nutsinho bets [$115].
KingCarn raises [$230].
nutsinho is all-In [$50.20]

why?...

It looks like you hit a set and he doesn't want to lay down his top hand, but really, what is the point in guessing?

Originally Posted by jackvance

why?...

It looks like you hit a set and he doesn't want to lay down his top hand, but really, what is the point in guessing?

he raises on river with no FE because he doesnt want to lay down? maybe this exercise would be good for a genius like you

Maybe it helps if I rephrase it like this: "he doesn't want to admit defeat on a second best hand". Ofcourse I could be way off - I might be more inclined to actually think about it if you gave some info about why this hand was so "stellar" that we have to do the guessing game.

Im thinking kingcarn has JJ and nutsinho 99 ^^

Edit: or Kingcarn has KK?

I'm going to guess hero has 44/99 and villain has JJ/KK, who knows though

Originally Posted by Lukie

I'm going to guess hero has 44/99 and villain has JJ/KK, who knows though

agreed...i see no way this isnt set over set...unless hero has KJ

KJ/QT/AA are possibilities in my mind. And the fact that it's posted makes it more likely that we'll see a crazy hand here from villain but who knows. Certainly looks like somebody has an overset here...

Originally Posted by jackvance

Maybe it helps if I rephrase it like this: "he doesn't want to admit defeat on a second best hand". Ofcourse I could be way off - I might be more inclined to actually think about it if you gave some info about why this hand was so "stellar" that we have to do the guessing game.

youd think i actually called the hand "stellar" by the way you use quotations around the word "stellar" as if it was something you were quoting me as saying or as if stellar is not actually a real word

by making a post involving the "guessing game" im probably implying that at least one of us does not have a standard hand in relation to the betting, i.e. 44/99 (possibly poorly played JJ/KJs) for me and JJ/KK for villain

what is your range in this spot?

Originally Posted by nutsinho

by making a post involving the "guessing game" im probably implying that at least one of us does not have a standard hand in relation to the betting, i.e. 44/99 (possibly poorly played JJ/KJs) for me and JJ/KK for villain

Yeah, that's why in my original guess I said Villain probably has a rather poor hand. It's not the obvious thing, otherwise you wouldn't have made this post. But because it isn't the obvious thing, it could be a lot of things really - so we're basically guessing for why you made this post. My guess is because Villain turned out to have a shit hand. So, results?

It's obvious NutsinHo is selling a set. I'll say 99 though I'm not sold that's the case.

Villian has a hand he can't get away from that's AA in my book. (Possibly AK). The push at the end is either a "let's hope my oponent folds b/c how the heck did I get myself in the mess" or, "I've got KKK".

In reality I'll say that Hero has something like 9T/TJ and loses to AA/AK.

(Unless this is the one in a million chance where you have KK and villian has QT)

jack, there's no need to keep insulting my OP just because you don't know why i made it. that will be revealed later.
Just put me and villain on a hand or range of hands. This is not an uncommon type of post here.

hero: QTs
villain: AA

Originally Posted by nutsinho

jack, there's no need to keep insulting my OP just because you don't know why i made it. that will be revealed later.
Just put me and villain on a hand or range of hands. This is not an uncommon type of post here.

K, I was a bit grumpy yesterday b/c I have to take a break from poker due to exams. My apologies for my crude comments.

Anyway, I'll stick with my original guess: you have a set (99) and he has a silly overplayed TP or overpair (AA).

villains range most likely AA-TT but possible any pp plus AK/AQ/AJs perhaps as little as AJo ATs ATo. I wouldnt add sc's here as you say tight, but 87s etc are a possibility

Nutsinho is on the bb so i could argue any two cards especially if you have any idea what the 5bbs rather than 3-4bbs raise means. Probabably a range of pps with JJmax, i think you would have reraised QQ+ perhaps JJ/TT/99 but your oop and raise is unusual so ur calling range may be slightly wider because you have a read. Sc's arent out of the frame either as you arent a rock

Looking at the hand, flop says little other than villains range on the flop is pretty wide, however when he calls your raise on the turn he has something, so id rule out AQ. AK/AJ/AA/KK/JJ even QQ are a likely range. I cant see him holding TT/88 or less unless he has 99/44. As a tighty id rule out QT here for the straight.

Nuts range is pretty wide, set/straight/two pair/slow played overpair like AA.
Looking at it villain looks to have a monster as he doesnt scare away nutsinho' aggression and reraises the river. Could be a horribly overplayed AK, more likely KJ id rule out QT. 99/44 are possibilities as is JJ. Probably KJ or AK overplayed.
Nuts may have a set, may have the straight but i think betting $100+ on the river you had a set and knew he had two pair/overpair hand.

Nutsinho: J9s/QTs
Villain: KK - very tough to tell because of the dry board - river reraise either says it's KK or he's flat not buyin what you're sellin.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

villain appears tight, solid...standard raise is 3-4bb. Note that villain is UTG here and also that he chooses to raise 5bb.

Villain has JJ

Nuts has 99

So... I assume you're planning on posting results nuts...?